FBI has hacked the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone, calls off the case against Apple

by: Kris CarlonMarch 29, 2016
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Tim Cook The Guardian

The FBI has “successfully accessed the data” stored on the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone without the help of Apple. The revelation came in a three-sentence status report withdrawing their court-ordered demands for Apple’s assistance in recovering the data. While this is good news for the court case, it poses the new question of how the FBI managed to hack the iPhone.

The most likely explanation is the FBI’s contracting of an Israeli forensic software company called Cellebrite, which the company has confirmed. When the FBI deferred a hearing in the case against Apple last week it mentioned an “outside party” had demonstrated a possible method that did not require the assistance of Apple’s engineers.

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This potentially means it took the firm just one week to access the encrypted data: a feat Apple itself stated would take six to ten engineers two to four weeks to achieve. While we do not know exactly how long Cellebrite has been working with the FBI, its website lists a pre-existing tool for cracking the encryption found on the iPhone 5C. There is no word yet as to the relevance of any data uncovered.

While in some ways the withdrawal of the court order against Apple can be seen as a win for encryption generally, the fact that the iPhone has still been hacked – and apparently in a very short amount of time – might be of equal concern.

 

  • Fabian Taveras

    Why draw? It’s either win or or lose. Now that apples encryption has been bypassed by the feds it’s a clear loss for Apple.

  • Charles Sansom

    Apple should help authorities to get into terrorists and crimanls devices. Not support them

    • Fredrol

      I agree, terrorists don’t deserve privacy. It’s in everyone’s interest that the FBI or whoever, gets the info they need. It could potentially stop a attack..

      It’s not like the FBI are bored and says “hey let’s hack into Jordan’s phone and see if he has some nudes of his wife..”

      • CLBDCS

        Agreed – VERY much agree

      • TopXKiller

        The problem is they could not necessarily they will but they can which is dangerous. If they are willing to push a boundary one time, than the next might corrode more freedoms down the road. Releasing a master key would set a dangerous precedent and thats why Apple did not comply.

    • Leigh Conner

      I think you are missing the big picture. Had the FBI taken the phone to Apple and said “would you get into this phone for us and get the data” none of this likely would ever have happened. But that’s not what happened. What happened was the FBI demanded that Apple make an entirely new version of iOS that could have gotten them onto ANY iPhone 5c, possibly even more iPhones and hand that tool over to the government.
      Let’s also not forget that this case also demonstrates government incompetence. This phone was owned by the terrorist’s employer, which in this case was the county of San Bernardino. They did not bother to set up the phone in such a way that they could access anything on it. This would have cost them nothing and taken about 30 seconds as all the tools to do so are already built in. Private employers do this routinely and the fact that the county did not shows a stunning lack of basic understanding on matters.
      There is also the fact that the FBI had the county of San Bernardino try to change the password on this phone’s iCloud account which conveniently locked them completely out of it.
      Keep in mind too that the terrorists destroyed both of their personal phones as well as other documents and data. Had there been anything of relevance on this phone it would have been destroyed as well. You also need to keep in mind that the 4th Amendment makes it so the government needs to be going after specific things and have a reasonable believe that some form of evidence will be found. It does not grant the government carte blanche to go looking anywhere they want just to see if something may be found. That starts to turn ‘innocent until proven guilty’ into ‘guilty until proven innocent’.

      • Magwheelz

        Where does it say that’s what the FBI demanded?

        • Leigh Conner

          You just proved that you have not kept up with this case whatsoever. I can’t post links in here but just do a Google search on this case. Also keep in mind that the EFF, Google, Microsoft as well as the entire tech industry and ever privacy rights groups sided with Apple in this case because it was the government demanded a tool be made for them and delivered to them.

          • Magwheelz

            Actually I have kept up with it.

          • Leigh Conner

            If that were true you would know that the entire debate was that Apple make a new version of iOS to bypass the security wipe of the phone after 10 failed attempts to get into it. That after this new OS was applied to the phone that it would need the FBI’s supercomputer to get into it quickly. That was the entire point of Comey’s argument.

          • Magwheelz

            And only for that phone, no key is given away, etc. They’ve done similar things in the past for law enforcement.

          • Leigh Conner

            Wrong. Once the FBI has the new iOS version with weaker security, and I already copied a quote from Comey above in another response to you how they want the tool so they could get into the phone themselves, they then could turn around and apply it to other iPhones as well. At least 5c and below, possibly even some higher versions.

          • Magwheelz

            No, you cannot apply it to other phones unless Apple gives the know how away to the FBI. None of this even matters now because Apple has made it even worse for itself. The phone has been hacked so Apple will really have to work to convince us their next phone or update is the baddest on the planet. The FBI really does now have the master key.

          • Leigh Conner

            And you refuse to read so that makes this discussion pointless. So this will be my last response to you.

            1. I quoted Comey above how they want the tool so THEY can guess the passcode, not Apple.

            2. The reason they want the tool is that depending on how the password was made, it could be YEARS to get into the phone. From the Washington Post February 17…
            “On the other hand, the San Bernardino shooters could have picked a longer, or trickier passcode to lock their phone. What if they used a six-letter passcode, but mixed in capital letters in addition to lowercase letters, and numerical digits? Then there would be 56.8 billion possibilities, instead of 2.1 billion. Instead of 5.5 years, it would take 144 years to crack such a passcode — again, assuming the FBI had Apple’s help to prevent it from getting locked out”
            3. The FBI has computers that can try to run passcode combinations much faster, which is why Comey and the FBI wanted the tool delivered to them. Even if Apple applied it to the phone themselves, it would still be in the FBI’s hands.
            4. Every article even says that the FBI would have the tool.

          • Magwheelz

            I said that..so the FBI can get the passcode, not Apple. Given them the ability to do so on one phone does not make so they can do it on all the others, unless Apple would hand them the key that could actually be used on other phones. But again, Apple just screwed themselves by instead of doing it quietly behind the scenes the whole world now knows the phones aren’t so tough after all and at least the FBI and those that helped them do indeed actually have the tool or key.

          • Diego

            Then you know they also asked for the info of 12 other iPhones.

          • Magwheelz

            Yes, and many more previously.

          • Diego

            Those “many more” were running iOS 7, which was not encrypted.

          • Magwheelz

            Yes they were encrypted.. Just not as good. Which is laughable now that it’s been hacked into

          • Diego

            You mean they didn’t have hardware encryption.

      • Charles Sansom

        So you wouldn’t mind a family member to be killed by a bomb because the authorities couldn’t get onto a smartphone because the manufacturer wouldn’t? You’d be the first to demand new laws and legistration for them to get onto terrorists phone.

  • Fredrol

    Yeah.. “without the help of Apple”.. Lol

    • CLBDCS

      Agreed very funny and proves they are not superior then Android –

      • Brad Fortin

        How does it prove that, in any way? As far as I know the FBI’s never filed an order against Google to get into an Android phone, and none of the phones the DOJ is still waiting to unlock run Android. If anything that shows the FBI can easily get into Android phones, while iPhones give them enough of a hard time that they had to go to court over it.

        • CLBDCS

          My point was that the IPhones can be hacked just like Android – Apple always says its IOS is so much safer then Android.

          • Brad Fortin

            Alright, and how many encrypted Android phones has the FBI brought Google to court over? Seems just a bit curious that the only phones the FBI, DOJ, NYPD, and other law enforcement agencies are trying to access are iPhones, no Android phones in sight. Could it be because iPhones have been encrypted by default since 2009 while most Android phones still aren’t encrypted by default?

          • CLBDCS

            I am not going back and forth over this you should read more folks say the same as I do the one right below this one says the same as I said always claimed to be the most secure and safe. They are phones for crying out loud why such a big deal they just asked us to comment on our opinion just like mine is different from yours but I respect that and Ole agrees with me and I think I saw several others who agree with me and one I have seen that favors yours.

          • Brad Fortin

            “proves they are not superior then Android”

            “our opinion”

            Well, which one is it? Opinions can’t prove anything. Proof can be quantified and measured.

            An easy thing to measure is how many of each kind of phone the government wants unlocked: iPhones, lots; Android phones, none. If the government doesn’t need help unlocking Android phones but needs to go to court to try to force Apple to unlock iPhones that means iPhones are harder to unlock. Otherwise we’d see similar cases with the government trying to force Google to unlock Android phones, especially since there are more Android phones than iPhones.

          • Ben Lanckmans

            totally not… its just that Apple devices are much more mainstream and that terrorists etc dont use Android devices.

      • N&LH

        is superior than Android

  • Depo

    Apple, the art of making complex things easy. And normal things…overcomplicated :-)

  • CLBDCS

    Very funny that they got it without the help of Apple – I am sure I will be tour up over this but just shows Apple isn’t as grand as they think or want people to think. I hope they keep that information so that Apple don’t try and plug it but Apple always says there phones/software is so much more secure then Android well now what are they going to say….

    • Leigh Conner

      I somehow think you would be singing a different tune if it was an Android phone that someone knew how to get into.

      • CLBDCS

        Not at all as Android is open source so to speak and I wouldn’t care either way – Apple is the one going around saying they have the high ground and a far more secure OS then Android – but like I said wouldn’t bother me at all I have nothing to hide either way

        • Leigh Conner

          Open source has nothing to do with encryption. Do you want the government to have a backdoor to your Android device that’s fully encrypted?

          • CLBDCS

            Gotcha so having a open source which can be worked on – thanks for the update didn’t know they was a difference and I wouldn’t have any problems with them doing it – I have nothing to hide as many on the board here has said glade they got through it so I would seem to think most don’t have an issue on the matter special went it went all legal trying and I don’t think the FBI was going to rent a billboard to show everyone how they did it. In this day and time might be good so that no one else gets hurt or worse killed –

          • Leigh Conner

            Then that’s frightening that you think the government should be your nanny. You have essentially admitted that guilty until proven innocent is how you think it should be.

          • CLBDCS

            Ok lets just drop this I could really come back hard on this one but I am not going to. Many people have much to hide they should buy IPhone’s so they can keep all the stuff on the phone safe and sound. thank you for the on going talk – everyone has a difference of opinions on this matter. I said I new I new I would be tour up over saying this and I was right –

    • Diego

      iOS is more secure then android.
      why?
      Because apps don’t get root access.

  • Having non Apple apparatus on Apple products may limit productivity.

  • JSo

    Nothing is completely secure. That’s why there are jailbrakes and stuff like that. I’m sure the FBI has a lot more resources than the average hacker so I’m sure asking for Apples cooperation was just a courtesy.

    • Leigh Conner

      No, it wasn’t just a courtesy. It was an attempt to get a backdoor tool that could be applied to a LOT of other devices. The FBI did not take this single phone to Apple and ask them to get into it. The demanded Apple make a new version of iOS that bypassed security and hand it over to them.

      • JSo

        I know that. But they obviously were able to do it themselves in a quick timeframe. They could have just not even asked Apple and done it themselves to begin with.

  • King_Android

    Finally now the inevitable can be quieted. We all knew the FBI would get into the iPhone. I mean I can’t even think of why someone wouldn’t think they would eventually be able to. They tried the legal route and Apple said naw, so they went the route they normally take, find hackers to help.

  • Haggie

    I don’t believe it. FBI realized that they were screwed. They claimed that they have hacked the phone to avoid humiliation and to keep criminals guessing about their actual capabilities. Show one single piece of data collected or STFU.

    • Leigh Conner

      I agree. They had lost another similar case to this in New York and looked like they were going to lose this as well. Now that they have pulled the case before it could be adjudicated they can hope to have another similar case go before a more favorable judge in the future.
      It’s never talked about in any of these articles that this was the terrorist’s work phone. That he and his wife destroyed their personal phones as well as other documents and data before their attacks. If there was anything on this phone it would have been destroyed as well.
      The truth is the government has been pushing for weaker encryption standards and backdoors into devices for years now and they saw this as a way to get public sentiment on their side to weaken our security and privacy.

      • King_Android

        Lol, so its the terrorist’s work phone but that would mean the company they work for owns the phone thus owning the right to do whatever they want with it.

    • blanco2701

      Why would they release confidential data to prove anyone?

      • Haggie

        If they want to break the encryption of ALL iPhones, I think that the burden of proof is one them, not me.

        a.) Were they actually able to do it?

        b.) What information was gained that was so valuable it was worth breaking encryption for every single iPhone user?

        • Robert D Galvan

          FBI didn’t want to break all encryption on iphones. I guess you don’t pay attention to the news very much. FBI didn’t crack the phone, a 3rd party did.

    • sithishs

      So…you want the FBI to release confidential data to prove they hacked someone’s iPhone?

    • Diego

      The FBI finally listened to Snoden.
      They made a copy of the nand, and then used a computer to try every passcode possible.

    • King_Android

      Naw, if the FBI wants something badly enough they will find a way. No way in hell would they give up the details of how it happened and what they’ve been able to acquire. FBI = “humiliated” I assume you dont know much about The FBI. At the end, they just wanted a tool to help them in future cases where they dont need “hackers”. It wasnt technically about this particular phone.

      • MaxPower

        How much do you know?

        • King_Android

          Enough :-)

          • MaxPower

            So did he :-)

      • tiger

        The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

        Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

    • Modest Mind

      This whole case is a charade! It is simply a free marketing for Apple. Playing as if Apple is protecting customer’s privacy while holding the readers for stupid. This arrogance is condescending. Of course NSA can crack those phones and even hear calls and read messages in real time. They even don’t need to hold the phone in hand to crack it.

  • HotelQuebec

    A publicity stunt that backfired and turned Apple into a terrorist sympathizer.

    • Leigh Conner

      No, an attempt by the government to get backdoors and turned Apple into a 4th Amendment supporter.

      • Magwheelz

        Apple getting into the phone, like they’ve done for law enforcement in the past, could have been done without the FBI present.

        • Leigh Conner

          Except that is not what the FBI wanted. Had it been this never would have been a discussion.

          • Magwheelz

            Yes, it is what they wanted. Apple never said -ok, we’ll do it but only if we do it behind closed doors etc. Because it wasn’t the issue.

          • Leigh Conner

            No it was not. You have obviously not kept up with the case. The FBI wanted Apple to make a new version of iOS and deliver it to them so THEY could attempt to get into the phone.

            This is a direct quote from Comey from a Washington Post article last month…

            “We simply want the chance, with a search warrant, to try to guess the terrorist’s passcode without the phone essentially self-destructing and without it taking a decade to guess correctly,” FBI Director James B. Comey wrote on the website Lawfare, a prominent national security law blog. “That’s it. We don’t want to break anyone’s encryption or set a master key loose on the land.”

            He is saying point blank that he wants the FBI to get into the phone AFTER the tool has been put into the phone thus giving the FBI control of the tool. This had NOTHING to do with Apple getting into the phone themselves.

          • Magwheelz

            No, the key to the tool can be kept with Apple. It would be giving the FBI control of the phone, not the key or tool.

          • JSo

            Apples issue was that they felt it was a security risk to create the patch or back door or whatever it was in the first place. It doesn’t exist even to Apple. They felt creating it would be too much of a risk of it leaking out into the wild causing obvious problems and security risks to their OS and their consumers as a whole. So their view was that it was safer to not even create it. They don’t even want it for themselves. Or at least that’s what they say

          • Magwheelz

            But now the FBI and whoever helped them has all the info they need. Apple should be even more worried now.

          • JSo

            The FBI has whatever they have now but they got it without Apple’s help. Hackers have been doing stuff like that for years. The only difference is that this is the FBI. We’ll just have to see what Apples response is to this.

          • tiger

            Update : The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

            Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

          • Leigh Conner

            No, it can not. Did you even read Comey’s own words? The THEY can guess the passcode.

            The entire point of this, and why it is suspect that this Israeli company may have gotten into it, was that the FBI’s own estimates was that it could take years for Apple to try to get into the phone where as the FBI’s computer could do it in hours.

            From CNBC article on February 18, 2016…
            “A federal magistrate ruled Tuesday that Apple must create this highly specialized software within a certain time frame. But Apple CEO Tim Cook released a letter saying he would challenge the FBI’s demands.”

          • Magwheelz

            Yes, they can guess the pass code if they’re allowed enough tries. THAT is what the FBI wanted, NOT that Apple should get the passcode for them.

          • Leigh Conner

            Yes, and if the FBI is the one guessing the passcode that by definition means they would have control of the new OS version.

          • Magwheelz

            No, it does not. It only means that phone won’t self-destruct if they keep trying passcodes. Apple would have had to give them the info/key to do that on other phones.

          • Diego

            no, they wanted a back door into every iPhone.

          • Magwheelz

            No, and even if they did Apple could counter with- we’ll help you out but you’re not getting that.

          • Diego

            Apple did help them.
            Apple told them the iCloud password, but the FBI changed it, so the iPhone couldn’t make a backup of its data to iCloud.

          • Magwheelz

            Apple knew that the FBI had already done that.. So that’s hardly helping them. None of this matters because the FBI has now hacked the phone.. So apple is screwed in at least two different ways as I pointed out in another post.

          • Diego

            yeah, they copied the contents of the Nand, giving them chances to try every passcode.

    • Brad Fortin

      By that logic that makes all weapons manufacturers terrorist sympathizers, too, along with car manufacturers, clothing makers, etc.

    • tiger

      Not really. Latest:

      The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

      Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

  • Magwheelz

    So the phone isn’t as secure as they claimed plus they look like idiots for not helping law enforcement like they’ve had no problem doing in the past. Oh..and -see, I told you so.

    • Brad Fortin

      They helped law enforcement in this case in exactly the same way they always have. What’s different about this case is that the FBI was asking for more, for something nobody’s ever asked for before: A custom version of iOS that’s less secure but makes their job easier. But Apple isn’t in business to make snooping easier for the FBI (and, consequently, everyone else), their business is going in the opposite direction by making things more secure.

      • Magwheelz

        A custom one for this particular phone. Nothing had to be given away to allow them to do what they’d please with other phones.

        Obviously theirs is not that secure. Didn’t take that “third party” long at all.

        • Brad Fortin

          The important part was the precedent: If Apple does it for “this particular phone” the FBI and DOJ already have dozens of other phones waiting to be unlocked, and FBI director Comey even admitted under oath that it would set a precedent, which means Apple would either have to write a custom version of iOS for each and every device they ever bring Apple (a process that would take dozens of several weeks per version) or they would have to make and forever maintain a separate, weaker version of iOS (“govOS”) that could leak at any time. And if Apple did it for the US govt how long do you think it would be before the Chinese govt demanded the same thing? or the Russian govt? India? Isreal? South Africa?

          The “third party” probably didn’t take long because the iPhone was running an older, less secure version of iOS (8) on a less secure device (5C) that could be brute-forced. They could basically take the memory chip, back up the contents to another chip, guess the passcode 10 times, restore from the backup, and try again. Even if you’re only guessing 1 passcode/second it would take less than 3 hours to guess all possible passcodes. If they had a newer iPhone, 5S or newer with iOS 9, they wouldn’t have been able to use the same exploit.

          • Magwheelz

            Well my response never made it through because of a link..here it is w/out it:

            I don’t see the problem with a company being willing to cooperate with law enforcement if 1)they are getting paid for it and 2) it can help solve crime- even terrorism. I’ve said before- if it involved a family member of Tim Cook or the President or any other # of scenarios(your own family?)- they would have been working on it before the FBI would even have asked.

            As for China etc..it’s possible they already have: Replacing the link with- Google “What Apple Did and Didn’t Do When China Knocked on Its Backdoor”

            You’ve pointed out the problem with Apple and their spin(s). The claim was that it was so encrypted/secure that it would take a bunch of their teama month or more to hack the phone.

    • tiger

      Idiots are you guys.

      Latest:

      The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

      Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

      • Magwheelz

        Where did I say differently? And who says they won’t find a different way for the newer models?

        Idiots are those who come back 9 days later and think they have something..

        • tiger

          HINT: there is critical hardware difference b/w 5c and later iPhones.

          Idiots are those who think that they know tech yet has no clue. Hint#2: YOU.

          • Magwheelz

            You just figured that out? Again, where did I say differently? Come back in 10 days when you learn something else.

  • Ole Ingeman Christensen

    Plain and simple a loose for Apple.
    They have always claimed to be the most secure and safe mobile platform around, which has become very clear not is true.

    • CLBDCS

      Agreed it would seem others need to read our post of course anytime you put down Apple the world is coming to end – I have had both and I wouldn’t trade my Android now for nothing I really like my phone –

      • tiger

        Update:

        The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

        Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

    • tiger

      Latest:

      The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

      Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

  • John Doe

    isn’t there a phone that keeps all of its data in the cloud and not on the phone? That way a loststolen
    phone is never compromised for data ..

  • Diego

    Some people need to get hold of facts before they start commenting.
    1. Apple is helping terrorists.
    no, terrorists use burner phones, remember?
    2. apple’s security is not that strong.
    You can’t hack the phone with out having fiscal access to it, so I don’t see how is its not strong.

  • MaxPower

    A huge load of american style BS and I can’t believe people still trust their government.

    No way those people did that massacre
    At least I’m not buying it.

    But let’s assume they really did it.
    Why is this obsession over their phone?
    They have a shitload of sources to investigate on, logs, places, interrogate people…

    The FBI claimed they knew about the terrorist in Belgium a week before the attack, without even having his phone (I guess he was a Sammy’s guy)

    They just want control of every phones and they use this BS of terrorism to get where they want.

    Edit: to make it more clear (if it’s not yet)
    There’s a news of few days ago which claims that now they are trying to make illegal to own a phone that is not linked to a physical person.

  • M42

    Big Brother is always watching you, reading your emails and listening to your phone conversations.

  • BobenhamHotspur

    FBI “Apple will you help us?” Apple ” we couldn’t possibly” (wink) FBI “ok we’ll do it without you” (wink) FBI “we somehow managed to crack the phone without any help from Apple” (wink) Apple “you bounders FBI”

  • Vadim Marchenko

    Arrogant company got what it deserves, humiliation!

    • tiger

      Not really. Arrogance is you to assume otherwise.

      Latest:

      The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

      Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

  • Matt Calabrese

    This whole case is not about that one phone. That phone has jack squat on it that the FBI needs. This whole case is about the FBI trying to force Apple in to creating a tool they can use over and over. They are trying to do this by saying there may be information on the phone involving terrorist activities. As soon as they say terrorist the public goes nuts and starts wanting to crucify Apple for helping terrorists. Look at the comments on any site that has an article about this case and you will see that is what is happening. They want the public to be mortified and angry at Apple. In the end the FBI cares nothing for that phone. They do however care about the rest of the phones they have in custody that we do not know about. Phones that have nothing to do with terrorism. But if they can get public opinion on their side and the country riled up over this, they think they can get Apple to create this software version for them. Once it is created for this phone they care nothing for, they can easily just look at Apple and say, “Well since that software is already created, here are new orders for all these other phones we have.” Lets not forget that law enforcement agencies across the country have hundreds of phones that have nothing to do with terrorism or child pornography or human trafficking or other nasty things they want you to be upset Apple isn’t helping them stop that they want access to. Do you think the FBI wants to keep using that Israeli company for every phone they get? I’m sure it isn’t cheap. Much cheaper to have a tool created by Apple. Lets also not forget that local law enforcement agencies don’t have the money to pay that company either. Much easier to use the one Apple was forced to create under false pretenses. Lets also consider that the Israeli company that is opening the phone is not just some company that decided to help the FBI do the right thing and offer it’s services. This company had to have already been an approved contractor for the USG.

    • Magwheelz

      I’m sure the FBI will continue using that Israeli company if that’s what is needed. It’s not like the gov/t, even the FBI, is looking to save some money over something like this.

      • Matt Calabrese

        I’m sure they will if need be. A few grand for one phone, no big deal, few grand per phone for hundreds is. So yeah I think money is an issue. But the point is, they don’t want to use them. They want Apple to make the tool. Quicker, easier and cheaper.

        • Magwheelz

          A few grand per phone for hundreds- that’s probably what Apple could easily have charged for this one phone given that they said it’d take..what was it again- a dozen of their guys and a month or more? ;-)

          • Matt Calabrese

            4-6 engineers 2-3 weeks if I remember correctly. But that was designing a new version of ios for them. Not an unreasonable amount of time considering how software is made. But the FBI wouldn’t be paying anything for it if they got the court to order it. And they would have the tool right here at home with the ability just keep showing up at Apples door with a truck load of phones and the All Writs Act in hand with another BS story. Of course by the time they show up there would be a line of law enforcement agencies at Apples door longer than bestbuy on black Friday. All with phones they think might have evidence.

          • Magwheelz

            The court order states that Apple would be paid “reasonable compensation”.

            I’m not sure Apple likes it better that someone else is possibly going to be doing the hacking instead. They really need to get their act together and make them hack-proof instead of just PR’n that they are. Or is that BS’n…?

          • Matt Calabrese

            For the most part they are pretty well hack proof. Your average hacker isn’t going to have access to what is needed to follow what the Israeli’s are doing.

      • tiger

        Latest:

        The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

        Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

  • tiger

    Android users and their ignorance! My goodness, reading the comments here just makes me laugh. How dumb can some of you guys be?!

    • subm

      Only iOS user can be so intelligent.

      • tiger

        Yes, apparently so.

        Latest:

        The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

        Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

  • Shuujirou

    There goes your privacy apple users. First the fappening, now this.

    • tiger

      Fappening happened how? Apple got hacked? You sure? You want to be embarrassed?

      Latest:

      The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

      Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.

    • tiger

      Just for YOUR education:

      “A Pennsylvania man on Tuesday was charged in the hacking of iCloud and Google cloud storage accounts belonging to more than 100 individuals — notably dozens of celebrities — and stealing personal, sometimes compromising pictures and video.

      Court filings show Collins sent out emails resembling legitimate correspondence from Apple and Google, duping victims into divulging account information that was later used to steal personal photos and in some cases full iCloud backups. The story gained public notoriety after a cache of nude photos stolen from celebrities like actress Jennifer Lawrence hit the Web in September 2014.”

  • LastKings31

    And then they spilled a cup of water on it while the celebrated the achievement! Hahaha they confirmed that after they unlocked the phone they spilled a glass of water on it that made the phone worthless and won’t turn on anymore… Great work FBI. Bunch of idiots

  • Oli72

    Apple helped then say how did u guys do it. That’s the real story.

  • Mark Washington

    Rights of encryption for a deceased person also?

  • tiger

    Latest:

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s secret method for unlocking the iPhone 5c used by one of the San Bernardino shooters will not work on newer models, FBI Director James Comey said.

    Comey added that the technique would not work on the iPhone 5s and the later models iPhone 6 and 6s.