No Oculus Rift for Mac until Apple “makes a good computer”

by: Kris CarlonMarch 4, 2016
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Oculus Rift founder Palmer Luckey has come out swinging against Apple – and landed a punch below the belt – explaining the reason Oculus Rift doesn’t support Apple Mac computers yet is because Apple doesn’t make good enough computers.

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As it stands, Oculus Rift only works on PCs but not any Apple products. When questioned about Mac support by ShackNews, Luckey said “that is up to Apple… if they ever release a good computer we will do it.” Luckey has a point, even if you fork over $6,000 for a Mac Pro, it still won’t have a graphics card good enough to satisfy Rift’s recommended spec. Skip to 4:04 for the sick burn.

“If they prioritize higher-end GPUs like they used to for a while back in the day, we’d love to support Mac, but right now, there’s just not a single machine out there that supports it.” While Apple boss man Tim Cook has expressed more than a passing interest in VR, it seems unlikely that a VR-ready Mac will be appearing anytime soon.

However, with multiple consumer edition VR kits coming out this year and both Facebook and Google backing the technology, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a high-end GPU option for a VR-ready Mac to appear in the not-too-distant future. So, my friends, enjoy these sweet few months we have left before all your favorite cafes get clogged up with hipster Macbook Pro owners wearing VR headsets.

When do you plan on buying into VR?

  • Diego Opazo SV-Cross

    It’d be ok if this where related to Android in any way whatsoever…

    Anyway… I like Cardboard.

    • EmzzDroid Lollipop

      cardboard is better. yeah

      • Diego Opazo SV-Cross

        “better” i don’t think so, but for my use cases i like it.

    • BitHedge

      an apple burn is always welcome

  • Roby

    Might not be related to android but that burn sure made me laugh.

  • Diego

    What does this have to do with android?

    • DDD

      Oculus is a VR system
      Cardboard is also a VR system
      Cardboard uses Android phones
      Therefore it’s Android related
      Checkmate!!!!

      /s

  • Dapsy

    Now the isheep and crapple heads will feel offended… What has AA done?….

    • saksham

      that only happens on youtube

    • Diego

      isheep don’t buy macs tho.

  • Kody

    I think I’ll stick to cardboard for the next 3 years. Price should get more reasonable by then and quality will go way up.

    • SaRPeR

      Samsung Gear VR is affordable.

      • Kody

        True but doesn’t that need the a Galaxy phone to work?

      • ToasTd

        Actually, it costs about as much as a Rift.

  • lalos

    If it happened to Microsoft this article would be very offensive and cruel, now that apple is in the spot you say, have patience and dont worry apple will fix this….

    • DDD

      But it can’t happen to Microsoft; they don’t handle hardware.

      • Andreas Larsson

        Where have you been living? Microsoft have been making hardware for a while now, lumia phones and surface pads

        • DDD

          You do realize we’re talking about PCs right?

  • HotelQuebec

    Mac owners don’t waste their time on games. They create content like Facebook.

    • devilreaper

      Facebooks servers run on Linux or windows. So suck it.

      • Just like EVERY single servers in the world. They’re mostly using Linux.
        However nobody knows on what was it coded.

        • briguy

          Although Linux is probably what they’re running their servers with, MS’s web server is no slouch!

          • Svnjay

            No slouch and no marketshare, haha

          • briguy

            Yup!

      • k4ever

        Mac owners spend their time in Starbucks on free wifi looking for a job or behind the counter as baristas. Love how you guys/gals like try to convince everyone that you are better than them when the only thing you are able convince us about is that you were dumb enough to waste money you don’t have on an overpriced PC with a crippled OS.

        • Scr-U-gle

          Aw, IT departments are just like the guy who empties the rubbish bin, a facility.

          Macs make the money, just ask Google who insist everyone uses Macs

          • k4ever

            I’m trying to figure out where your IT department insult fits into this conversation.. You are still yapping about Google requiring “every employee to use a Mac.” What is your proof on this, a BGR story? Google runs all of its services off of Linux computers (PCs and servers with Linux installed on them).

    • Facebook wants VR for social media purposes, not games. Zuckerg himself said VR is the future of Facebook.

      Typical Apple Sheep, you will deny wanting VR for as long as it isn’t available on your platform, the moment it is you will make a complete 180 and praise Apple for innovating.

      • “you will deny wanting VR for as long as it isn’t available on your platform”
        Sadly this point would be a good one if only OSX users were denying wanting VR.
        Windows user here, and not wanting this gimmick.

    • Nikijih

      Except that as a social platform, Facebook by definition creates absolutely no content, the users do.

    • Scr-U-gle

      You do realise Google insist everyone who works for them use Macs right.

      Seems like that shitty PC of yours is still struggling with BBS.

      • k4ever

        What does that prove? Google wants to ensure that their workers focus on work instead of playing games by having them use computers that can’t play high end games…

        • Scr-U-gle

          …and that the reason? When you have nothing to say, it’s best you shut up moRoid.

          Not games, just high end games, the only way Google can get people to work is to deny them access to high end games, so everyone in the the corporation you work for only play high end games all day on those i3 intergraded graphics machines?

          Seriously, shut up, delete yourself from Disqus and get me my Big Mac.

          • k4ever

            Tell you what, I will gladly direct you to your local McDonald’s after you finish making my coffee. Of course I will have to point out McDonald’s to you because if you look it up on Apple Maps you would probably end up in a river.

            So you can’t deny the fact that high priced Macs have low end GPUs, so you throw out meaningless stories (WTF does Google requiring their workers to use Macs have to do with GPUs?) or hurl insults to mask you ignorance?

            While your chomping on that Big Mac at the world’s most profitable restaurant chain, maybe you will realize the irony of how, like Apple, McDonald’s has convinced you that their products are worth more than they actually are too.

          • Scr-U-gle

            Go tell Pixar, the scientists at CERN, while Windows does us Mac users accounts.

            Oh snap you came back with ‘no that you’?!?

            Like I said, if you have nothing to say, it’s best to shut up, next moRoid please.

          • k4ever

            Last time I checked, Pixar used used PCs with Linux installed on them. I believe there was a video on YouTube that showed a tour of Pixar Studios and counted the number of PCs and Macs being used. There was only a handful of Macs. Just because one person in an office is using a Mac doesn’t mean the whole organization is centered on Macs. My organization uses Macs in our public affairs office. However, that’s 4 x Macs in an organization that has hundreds of PCs. I guess by your logic we all use Macs.

            The sad part about all of this is how desperate you are to show that Macs matter, even to the point of overstating their usage. There is areason why, despite all of the hype and constant barrages by tech sites reviewers who are closet Apple acolytes, the highest marketshare Macs have been able to obtain is 13%. The same goes with the iPhone. No one is buying or using Apple products in the numbers that you are hyping them up to be. Trying to suggest that Macs are preferred by richer or more professional users is asinine. There is no real data that suggests that. At best, Macs are expensive specialty machines for photo and video editing enthusiasts.

  • devilreaper

    Even if they release a MacBook with the minimum specs expect it to be priced over 7k. Imagine this. A 8k ishit with core i7 dual core and 8 gb dd3 ram with some low cost radeon gpu that can barely play tetris at 20 fps. You’ll be better off with a pc for that price.
    PS: Just a theory. All you haters keep hating.

    • Diego

      os X was never a gaming platform to begin with.

  • Dusan

    Was going to order HTC Vive, but turns out it’s way more expensive in the EU. So now maaaaaaaaaybe. I have to think about Oculus Rift as it’s Facebook owned vs HTC Vive which is developed with Steam, which is a major gaming company, and I’d rather see games on my screen than ads.

  • ToasTd

    Why would Apple be interested in working with peripherals that they don’t own?

    • SeanPR11

      They could charge for an adapter to use it?

      • Diego Opazo SV-Cross

        This made me smile.

  • Another reason to get the HTC Vive I guess.

  • GreaterLesser

    He said “…like they use to back in the day..” So back when Steve Jobs was in charge…if only. Let’s face it Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs and I’m sure never will be anything close as a CEO. I agree that the Apple Mac Pro was a beast and the GPU were swappable – People LOVE SWAPPABLE GPUs. Now all we have is a shiny trash can with a fan on top. Granted the new Mac Pro has “decent” specs, but it will never been as good unless they slap a 980 ti (or AMD equivalent) in it, and I would love to see have that is going to happen. No offensive but Apple has lost there desktop game. The laptops are still nice (except the new MacBook for personal reasons, I just don’t like it) The MacBook Pro is still a great laptop………now fix the desktop.

  • Caitlin Bestler

    He has to learn a basic lesson about marketing in a world where consumers get to make their own choices – a good computer is one that your customer already has.

    A more correct answer is that Occulus Rift has limited resources and therefore has to choose which platforms to support. Choosing any platform *other* than Windows as the first target would require an explanation.

    • DDD

      There are always minimum requirements and Macs don’t meet them. That places them in the “bad computer” category. Making the statement he did imply that they are able to support Macs, if they manage to meet the requirements.

      And that marketing statement is all good for marketing teams but not for the people who would actually have to work to implement the ideas.

      • Brad Fortin

        The top-end iMac and Mac Pro would each meet the requirements, but there probably aren’t enough people with those configs to make development worthwhile.

        • briguy

          No they wouldn’t and anyone who spurges for that kind markup to have a powerful enough iMac/iMac pro would be an idiot to doll out that kind of money for something they could get a lot cheaper on a PC. Although Apple markets their overpriced crap to people who don’t know better!

          • Brad Fortin

            The people who would doll out that kind of money would probably be using it for other purposes, and the hardware is better at work than it is at gaming so I doubt gaming would be much more than an afterthought. “Oh hey, look at that, the DNA finished sequencing. Still an hour left in the day, though… I wonder if this thing can run Just Cause 3?”

          • briguy

            If some computer company is charging upwards to $7k for their “top of the line” computer, you better believe that it should be able to roughly do everything under the sun like photo enhancements/manipulation, 3-d creation/rendering, software development….and gaming. IMHO, Macs are overly priced paperweights; they cater to the less technologically inclined people; they don’t care about third-party developers/venders and OS X is a stripped and locked down version of it’s *nix brethren.

            “and the hardware is better at work than at gaming”
            While that last part is very true, Apple computers aren’t any better than it’s competition. In fact I can multi-task far more efficiently in other operating systems (specifically Linux).

            Sorry if my tone is overly critical towards you but I cannot stand when people think that Mac is better than everything else.

          • Brad Fortin

            “Sorry if my tone is overly critical towards you but I cannot stand when people think that Mac is better than everything else.”

            Good thing I never said that.

            “While that last part is very true, Apple computers aren’t any better than it’s competition.”

            No, but the most common argument people bring up is price, and if you’re buying components identical to a new Mac they’ll be comparable in price. Of course, most people making price comparisons will only try to match 1 or 2 specs, like clock speed or RAM quantity, thinking a Xeon is comparable to an i5 and that EEC RAM is comparable to non-EEC RAM, while also comparing things like off-the-shelf parts with custom-made parts, etc.

          • briguy

            “Good thing I never said that.”
            Never said that you said that ;) I perhaps should have been a bit more explicit because that was more of a message to the reader than directed at you.

            “No, but the most common argument people bring up is price, and if you’re buying components identical to a new Mac they’ll be comparable in price.”
            Yes and no. The sum of the components of my gaming computer are about the price of a “souped up” iMac. My gaming computer has a 850 watt PSU, a GTX 980, water-cooled i7 3770k (overclocked), 500GB SSD, 16GB or RAM, a (at the time of purchase) beefy Asus motherboard and a 144hz 27″ benq 3d capable monitor. This gaming rig chews through all the contemporary games I’ve thrown at it with 60+ fps.

          • Scr-U-gle

            That is such a foolish thing to say, OSX is UNIX certified, Linux is a poor mans copy of UNIX, and the first desktops to do real multitasking were macs.

            Anyone who claims Linux is a fool, considering that OS X is certified UNIX, you just come off Stupid making such statements.

            Most people use macs because dos/Windows couldn’t do complex calculations (scientific use), full colour graphics (designers, graphic artists and 3D designers), or full spectrum audio (musician, sound engineers & producers) because they were stuck on 8/16-bit CPUs when macs were fully 32-bit compliant.

            When Apple first used Intel CPUs, they had to go backwards to 32-bit because Intel didn’t have 64-bit like a PowerPC.

            Most of the video and audio you see and hear is built in macs, guess what Windows graphics and ads are built on, yeah that’s right, macs. Google only use macs, as do most the tech companies including IBM.

            I worked on Microsoft advertising, we only used macs, when they asked us to do it on Windows PCs, as the IT manager of the studio I had to tell them there OS wasn’t up to the job.

            Just like the moroids who made claims that 64-bit is just marketing until they caught up years later, so do Littlesofties.

          • briguy

            “That is such a foolish thing to say, OSX is UNIX certified, Linux is a poor mans copy of UNIX…..Anyone who claims Linux is a fool, considering that OS X is certified UNIX, you just come off Stupid making such statements.”

            What are you smoking. OS X is certainly not a certified UNIX architecture. It uses UNIX like conventions and maybe a descendant of UNIX but it’s not certified UNIX. OS X is primarily based on BSD, Darwin and Nextstep which are UNIX derivatives just like…….you guessed it, Linux; however, the Linux kernel has far more functionality built in than OS X will ever have. Also, according to my research, Windows 1.0 was the FIRST OS to have real-multitasking.

            You’re comment about Linux is 100% wrong. There is a reason why there is a saying in the IT/tech world “if it doesn’t run in Linux or Linux doesn’t see it, than it’s probably broken”. The Linux kernel runs a lot of the networked infrastructure that is allowing you to comment on this page. It runs the firmware that is in you wireless antenna/Ethernet card; it runs the hardware in your and everyone else’s WAP/router/switch. The Linux kernel can be adapted/used is a lot of ways that OS X simply cannot.

            Everything else you have said may be all true way back in the day but this is now and PC/Linux are outpacing Mac (which is 100% fact). I can create/edit videos, gifs, do photo-processing, create music, audio editing….,etc; all on a PC/Linux. Sure, in terms of Linux, it isn’t 100% user friendly but the fact remains that you can do anything that a Mac can on a PC/Linux machine which includes development.

          • Nikijih

            “the hardware is better at work than it is at gaming”

            you do realize this means exactly the same thing as “the hardware is not good enough for gaming”, right? Its not like the parts in your mac somehow run open office faster, you know? There was a time when macs had massive GPUs for their era and were known as rendering machines, made mainly for people working imaging in one way or another (video, photo, animation, etc). Thats where its “its better for work” reputation comes from, and is also what he was referencing in his comment in the video. Sadly, thats not the case anymore. Nowdays its just a cheap B-grade PC with AAA+ prices.

          • Brad Fortin

            “You do realize this means exactly the same thing as “the hardware is not good enough for gaming”, right?”

            No, it actually doesn’t. There is such a thing as being good at one task and better at another task. Just because one task is better doesn’t mean the good one has magically been downgraded to “not good enough”. It might appear that way if you’ve got limited cognitive faculties, but it doesn’t.

            “Its not like the parts in your mac somehow run open office faster, you know?”

            Faster than identical hardware? Of course not, at least not without some sort of software optimization(s).

            “Nowdays its just a cheap B-grade PC with AAA+ prices.”

            Just because a machine isn’t optimized for gaming doesn’t mean it’s B-grade. The only reason there’s “AAA+ prices” is because of the hardware. You can try it yourself by putting together a workstation with identical hardware (not “comparable in 1 or 2 specs”) to a new Mac and you’ll notice there isn’t really a price difference.

          • Nikijih

            So much ignorance in one post, im not quite sure where to start.
            1) “Not good enough for gaming” -> “just because its specs are not sufficient to do this doesnt mean its not good enough to do this”
            Are you kidding me? What kind of master mental gymnastics are you doing up there?

            2) Identical hardware for PC is not that much less expensive.
            Now you are just kidding yourself. imacs 5k, for exemple, go between 2000$ and 3000$ while “boasting” an “impressive” 3.2ghz i5 and the AMD equivalent of a GTX670. I can build that computer as a PC for less than 800$. The markup is RIDICULOUS. And yes, unless you are going to go for their 6000$-7000$ rendering machines, what you have is something that would be considered average to decent at best in a PC. Overclocking alone will render any equivalent parts on a mac obsolete.

          • Brad Fortin

            Wow, you’re dimmer than I thought. Just because hardware is optimized for one type of workload doesn’t mean it completely fails at any and all other types of workloads. Being good at one thing doesn’t automatically make you bad at every other thing. It’s like having a truck, which is optimized for hauling heavy loads, but can also be used for driving, off-roading, etc, without necessarily being bad at those things. But, like I said before, it can be difficult to understand if you’re not too bright and think everything in the world is built specifically for a single purpose and can’t ever be used for anything else without failing spectacularly.

            And, like I also said, “a workstation with IDENTICAL hardware (NOT “comparable in 1 or 2 specs”) to a new Mac”. If you go part-for-part identical, as in an identical model of processor with an identical clock speed (no overclocking), an identical model of display, an identical model of GPU, identical model of motherboard with identical ports, etc, the price for a custom-built rig, WITH IDENTICAL HARDWARE, will be comparable. Matching one or two specs like clock speed or the amount of RAM while completely disregarding all other specs and using at-least-partially-comparable hardware isn’t the same as an identical machine, and you know that, you’re just being purposely obtuse about it because you know you’re wrong and don’t want to admit it.

            But you’ve obviously got a huge chip on your shoulder when it comes to Apple so there’s no point arguing.

          • Nikijih

            Oh, please tell me more about how your i5 and 670 are going to do better at X than what you can put in a PC for the same price. Please, i’d love to hear how that “beast” of a machine will outperform my tower in rendering and image treatment, which is what I suppose you are ranting about. Or could it be that you are just repeating something you heard without actually understanding what it is you are talking about?

            Your head is just firmly up your rear. What, you think that 8gigs of 1600 ram is impressive or expensive? A locked motherboard with minimal heat sinks and less USB ports than a 5 years old Z77? The monitor? Really?! Who is it I wonder you are trying to kid. I used the GPU and the CPU because they are obvious comparison points, but nothing in those machines is anything to write home about, and your insistence that im somehow ignoring some big game-changing mystery hardware is just another sad example of the length to which apple fanboys will go to avoid facing the fact that they have been suckered into spending hard earned money on a logo.

            And really? “No overclocking!”? Why, cause “it aint fair”? Grow up. Overclocking is part of why PC will always outperform mac, no matter how much you overpay for middle-of-the-line parts. Show me any apple computer and I will show you how to build a PC with the exact same hardware for less than half the price.

          • Brad Fortin

            “Show me any apple computer and I will show you how to build a PC with the exact same hardware for less than half the price.”

            Challenge accepted, with “the exact same hardware”.

            5K iMac. Starts at $2300 CAD.

            Nothing on NCIX for 5K monitors, same with TigerDirect. Newegg has a 5K Dell monitor but it’s $2391 (Amazon has it for $2435), not to mention it’s only a cheaper sRGB 5K display and not the newer, more expensive, P3 5K displays that are in the iMac, so calling it “the exact same hardware” would be a bit of a stretch.

            But you’re already over budget (more than twice over budget, since you’re going to do it “for less than half the price”) and don’t even have a computer to hook up to that 5K display yet. Good luck!

          • Nikijih

            You do understand the difference between your monitor’s capacity and your computer’s, right? Brad, you can read things off the webpage but you obviously have no idea how computers work. No wonder you cannot understand what everyone is trying to tell you… Congratulation, you have a huge screen… and a computer that cannot and will not at any point in time be able to give you its alleged resolution outside of web-surfing. I guess if you like youtube…

          • Brad Fortin

            Wait, hang on, are you telling me that you cannot, in fact, “build a PC with the exact same hardware for less than half the price”, like you said you could? Are you going back on your word?

            The display is still hardware, bud. You can’t see your computer’s interface without one. Either show me that you can do exactly what you said you could do or admit that you can’t and that you were wrong.

          • Nikijih

            Yes, and you cant access internet without a router, would you also consider your data plan and modem to be part of your computer? I can do exactly what I said I could: build the exact same computer for less than half the price. Its not my fault if you dont understand what a computer is, as opposed to peripherals. The fact that you actually think youll get 5k resolution on that monitor tells me everything I need to know about your ignorance.

          • Brad Fortin

            “and you cant access internet without a router, would you also consider your data plan and modem to be part of your computer?”

            No, because a desktop computer can be used without the internet. Or did you not think that was possible?

            “I can do exactly what I said I could: build the exact same computer for less than half the price”

            Alright, the computer is a 5K iMac, which includes that fancy P3 5K display. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

            “Its not my fault if you dont understand what a computer is.”

            Are you saying an all-in-one isn’t a computer? Trying to move the goalposts since you know you’re wrong?

            “The fact that you actually think youll get 5k resolution on that monitor tells me everything I need to know about your ignorance.”

            Now you’re saying that the 5K display won’t run at 5K the way it already does? That’s a level of stupidity I can’t even fathom.

          • Nikijih

            “Now you’re saying that the 5K display won’t run at 5K the way it already does? That’s a level of stupidity I can’t even fathom.”

            Or you could attempt to understand what you are talking about instead of making a fool of yourself, but then again you seem to like it. Your monitor doesnt decide your capacity to run high resolution software, your GPU does. If you have a 5k monitor and try to run high resolution textures on a budget card, you will end up with an abysmal FPS, rendering your 5k monitor essentially useless. What you have here is a 2300$ web surfing and photo-editing computer. Aka, a waste of money.

            I dont have to move any goal-post, your ignorance is self-defeating enough.

          • Brad Fortin

            I guess that means you can’t “build the exact same computer for less than half the price”, then? Glad to hear you finally admit it. I knew you could do it.

          • briguy

            Challenge Accepted!!!

            Top-of-the-line iMac:
            21.5-inch iMac with Retina 4K display
            3.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
            16GB 1867MHz LPDDR3
            512GB Flash Storage
            Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200
            Magic Mouse 2
            Magic Keyboard (English) & User’s Guide
            Accessory Kit

            Total = $2,399

            Comparable Spec’d PC (via pcpartpicker):
            intel Core i7-4790k
            ASRock z97 Extreme6 MB
            G.Skill Ripjaws X 16GB (2x8GB) RAM
            Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
            MSI GeForce 970 4GB
            Cooler Master HAF 912
            Corsair RM 850W PSU
            Asus PB279Q 27″ 3849×2160 monitor
            Logitech MK550 wireless kb + laser mouse

            Total = $1,860.89

            Unless my maths are incorrect that is $538.11 under budget and it can play games at relatively decent fps! Now I know you said “identical” but these hardware specs are as close as you are going to get especially since Apple doesn’t list a real spec sheet for them. Thanks for playing! ;)

          • Brad Fortin

            “Unless my maths are incorrect that is $538.11 under budget”

            You’re actually $661 over budget since the challenge was “for less than half the price”, which would make your budget $1199.50. Not only that but the display you chose is only sRGB, not DCI-P3 like the iMac, which drives the price up considerably. DCI-P3 displays start at about $1400 USD, which is about $1800 CAD, which means the monitor alone puts you over budget, and adding the rest of the computer brings you to about the same price as the iMac.

            And why choose a different machine than the 5K iMac I proposed? That’s moving the goal posts. I guess you couldn’t do it with the 5K iMac, just like @nikijih:disqus couldn’t? Then again you couldn’t do it with the 4K iMac you chose instead of the 5K iMac I chose, so no surprise there.

          • briguy

            “You’re actually $661 over budget since the challenge was “for less than half the price”, which would make your budget $1199.50.”

            Actually if you look at my earlier post I said I could spec out a PC that is both COMPARABLE and significantly less than what Apple is pushing. In that context, I’m really under-budget.

            Addendum: I didn’t scroll down to the bottom of the page. A fully spec’d out 27″ 5k iMac costs…….$4,099.00; specs as follows:

            i7-4.0GHz
            32GB RAM
            1TB SSD
            AMD Radeon R9 M395X (mobile graphics card)
            Magic mouse 2
            Keyboard
            Total = $4,099

            PC:
            i7-6700
            Cooler Masters CPU cooler
            Asus MAXIMUS VIII Hero
            G.Skill TridentZ 32GB RAM
            Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD
            EVGA GTX 970 4GB VRAM SC
            EVGA SuperNova 850W
            HP Z27q monitor
            Logitech MK550
            Total=$2,670.57

            Now I will admit that’s ~$600 “over” budget but it’s still 65% of the price of a 27″ 5K iMac. Even if I replace the HP monitor with a Dell UP2715K monitor, it’s still $800 cheaper than that iMac. That extra money could go into another graphics card, RAID 5 NAS…,etc.

            Face it, people overpay when they buy Mac. You cannot deny that so just stop saying you get more bang for your buck or that they have quality hardware that can compete with PCs because most of the components in an iMac are laptop-based (sans CPU and Hard Drive). This is the real reason Macs cannot compete with gaming desktops and partly why they cost so much.

          • Scr-U-gle

            Suddenly someone doesn’t want to list prices!

            All that in a case and screen less than an inch thick?

            Thanks for failing, yet again.

          • briguy

            “Suddenly someone doesn’t want to list prices!”

            You might need to open your eyes just a little bit because the total price is listed at the bottom of each platforms’ list of components but since these price points don’t fit within your narrative you “neglected” to read them. FYI, here they are: iMac = $4,099 (apple website); PC = $2,670.57(pc part picker website).

            “All that in a case and screen less than an inch thick?”

            Hahahahahaahaha, if you think you can transform a desktop PC’s components into a form factor of a laptop (which is what an iMac is) w/o swapping out components, you’re an idiot. No one said anything about form factor, arbitrary constraints are arbitrary. ;D

          • k4ever

            I stopped reading your post after the first few sentences. You are reaching or you don’t know what you are talking about. A computer powerful enough to run high end games is also powerful enough to run office software or do highly complex calculations. Gaming computers are as high end as you can get (next to servers). Business computers are usually not high end because most business applications don’t need a high end graphics to be useful (just lots of RAM). I know of businesses that even use generic graphics drivers on their computers.

          • Scr-U-gle

            Shows how little you know, macs are used to build 3D sets, render terabytes of 3D animations in real time and computation that put your games in the dust.

            If a games maker decides to build a Mac version that is the real issue, the hardware is better on a Mac because they come with thunderbolt 2 which can run graphics cards externally, no PC has a bus as fast as TB2, therefore you can’t even run a graphics card as fast as you can on a Mac.

            5k displays run at 5k on an iMac, and as Briguy said, the closest you can get, but lower specc’d is the dell at the same price as an iMac.

            You cannot build a PC equivalent for the same price, nevermind cheaper.

            You could always do it and post the receipts, but talk is cheap, and all you have is talk.

          • Scr-U-gle

            Funny really, because the Mac Pro was cheaper than a less powerful PC.

            Seems like you don’t have a clue.

          • briguy

            Funny because I can spec out a PC that has the same components that a “top-of-the-line” iMac has for far less than what that pos is worth. Don’t even get me started about the iMac pro; that computer is the pure definition of an overly priced tin can. For the amount of money I would spend on that computer, I could completely deck out a tri-slied PC with all the bells and whistles, and still have money left over.

            Lest us not also forget that Apple has shifted focus on more mobile architecture so that hardware can fit their minimalist form-factor. So it seems like you may be the one that doesn’t have a clue. ;)

          • Scr-U-gle

            Let’s see the receipts, your hyperbole is bigger than your brain.

            Many make the same claim, but without the back up.

            Newegg sell the CPU for $2,649, lets see you build one with the same spec, no HDDs instead of pci storage, dual graphics and high speed memory and not have it over heat! Owe and a worldwide warranty.

            Keep dreaming, if you can with that ugly, noisy monstrosity you do nothing constructive with.

          • briguy

            For some reason my previous post didn’t work

            Challenge Accepted!!!

            Top-of-the-line iMac:
            21.5-inch iMac with Retina 4K display
            3.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
            16GB 1867MHz LPDDR3
            512GB Flash Storage
            Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200
            Magic Mouse 2
            Magic Keyboard (English) & User’s Guide
            Accessory Kit
            Total = $2,399

            Comparable Spec’d PC (via pcpartpicker):
            intel Core i7-4790k
            ASRock z97 Extreme6 MB
            G.Skill Ripjaws X 16GB (2x8GB) RAM
            Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
            MSI GeForce 970 4GB
            Cooler Master HAF 912
            Corsair RM 850W PSU
            Asus PB279Q 27″ 3849×2160 monitor
            Total = $1,818.9

            Unless my maths are incorrect that is $580.1 under budget and it can play games at relatively decent fps! Thanks for playing! ;)

          • Scr-U-gle

            G skill who?

            Msi cheap ass rubbish?

            As rock who?
            And where is your 21.5 4K screen with advanced screen technology?

            All in a case less than an inch thick, that runs silent, very funny.

          • k4ever

            briguy, give it up. This guy’s (or gal’s) head is stuck so far up Apple’s arse that the oxygen to his/her brain was cut of a while ago. I would also like to point out that “Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200” is not even in the same league as a “MSI GeForce 970 4GB”. The GeForce graphics card would blow the Intel card away. This is the main reason why Oculus and the rest of the gaming world say that Macs are not good gaming devices. What upsets me, and the reason why I won’t buy a Mac, is that if I spend over $2000 on a computer I want the best hardware in it. Macs are cheap computers marketed as expensive ones.

        • DDD

          If that’s true, then that guy really should have worded his statement differently. I can understand not supporting mac because not enough people have the specs, but he made it sound as if none of them have the specs.

    • Nikijih

      This isnt about marketing, or even about what platform it supports, its about technological requirements. Something like the occulus rift requires a tremendous amount of processing from your GPU, that is not something you can just skip and pretend its not a factor. A good computer is a good computer, it doesnt matter what you have, if it doesnt have the hardware, then its simply not a good enough computer. Ignorance is bliss…

  • Choda Boy

    “landed a punch below the belt”

    I disagree. Facts are facts.

  • Scr-U-gle

    So a Mac Pro is good enough to render in real time terabytes if data for Monsters University, but not enough for oculus rift?

    Quite funny when the reality doesn’t match the hype of this twerp.

    Googles head of technology insists everyone uses Macs, so who is wrong and who is right? Google or this guy?

    • k4ever

      You know absolutely nothing about gaming, so please stop your complaining. Macs are not made for gaming, plain and simple. This is a known fact that you are just refusing to accept. If you own a Mac, you paid extra for the battery life (which Macs are extremely good at) and the glowing Apple logo on the back. You definitely didn’t buy it for any intense computing, like gaming. Be happy with you purchase and quit complaining when someone points out a glaring flaw with your overpriced basic computer that everyone on the planet seems to know about except you.

      • Svnjay

        I’d take a Mac over a POS Windows computer.

        • k4ever

          That’s great, you prefer a brand over a capability. We get it. However, it does change the fact that Macs suck at gaming.

          • Scr-U-gle

            He prefers OS X to the joke that is Windows.

            And he loves UNIX certified systems.

            How little you know us quite scary, next you’ll claim you work in IT.

            Macs ran Marathon, the early version of halo before MS bought the rights to everything bungie do.

            Macs run COD, Dirt, GTA, F1, Civ, bio shock.

            They also run Photoshop, Mari, CaptuteOne, Autodesk….

            What you seem to misunderstand is the difference between what a developer chooses to make and what hardware can do.

            If you don’t know what you are talking about, it is best to shut up and go play games and leave the graphic pros to their jobs.

      • Scr-U-gle

        Not built for intense computing? Were you dropped on your head as a child, IE last year?

        I suggest you retread my comment then come back with some actual facts.

        Macs use the same hardware as PCs, just better version and have a deal to get CPUs before anyone else from Intel, and why no one could build a copy of the Mac Pro for such a long time.

        But your i3 is so fast running Xp right?!?

        When you have something to say come back, okay!

        • k4ever

          Yeah? Reread the story. Most Macs don’t come with high end dedicated GPUs..you know, the little thingies required for serious gaming. Intel Iris integrated GPUs won’t cut it. BTW, I run Windows 10 and Linux Mint 17.3, not XP.

          • Scr-U-gle

            Oh you must be a pro running a copy of UNIX, oh that’s right, macs are UNIX certified.

            You must love macs then!?! They can also run Windows and Linux, or anything OS, even from a thumb drive!

            There are about six PCs a year sold with high end graphics cards, and even with massive discounts, the likes of dell, HP (I guess all the others have gone out of business) are over priced and are still more expensive than a Mac.

            If you had bothered to read what I had written, any Mac with thunderbolt can run as many dedicated GPUs as you could want, from Mac mini to Mac Pro and everything I between. While you fanny around with USB (first on macs) to USB-c (created by guess who, yeah; Apple).

            You can pretend that your lack of knowledge means talking poo makes you some sort of expert. But I don’t see Pixar or the graphic pros I support complaining.

    • David

      The MacPro is good for the software especially made for it. The price to power ratio is just so abnormal. I can build 3 PC’s with the same power and specs for this price, but they will come without Mac OS, If you have software only for Mac OS you have no other way to go then using a Mac Pro. But the Mac Pro’s Power is by no means comparable to a High End PC with the latest components, Apple just updates it’s portfolio to slowly to stay in touch with PC’s.

      • Scr-U-gle

        You do realise that the Mac Pro couldn’t be matched for six months because of the deal Intel has with Apple right?

        Show me the receipts for the same hardware! 3x!

        Hyperbole is great, but facts don’t bear out. Just the CPU alone is $2,649 (Newegg), then add pci storage and dual GPUs, and you think you can build three cheaper?!?

        Many have tried and failed, but you are welcome to try.

        PS: Meth is bad for you.

        • David

          What Kind of creepy Apple Fanboy are you?!

          Intel CPU Deal? Where? Do you really think Intel is willing to loose money because they sell a CPU just to Apple if they can sell it to any other PC manufracturer wich has way higher sales numbers then Apples Mac Pro. The CPU Apple uses is a Server Class CPU, it was available BEFORE the Mac Pro came out… Today, I can get a better performance with a Desktop Grade 8 Core 3,0 GHz wich is two generations ahead of the Mac Pros CPU, supports DDR4 and has faster and more PCIe Lanes, Price, 1000 $ not 3600$ more Like apple wants for the best CPU in the MP. 64 Gig of DDR4 cost 270 $ … wow, not 1400 like Apple want. 512 Gig PCIe SSD, tada 250 bucks, Two way faster GPUs I will say R9 Nano 4 GB 1000 bucks, a powerfull Board I say 300 bucks. PSU and so on, I say 300 bucks on top.

          So thats it, 3120 $ thats not the fastest you can get from a PC, but it would be faster then a fully equiped MP wich cost you 10k. So please do the Math by yourself.

          • Scr-U-gle

            1. If you had bothered to look, the Mac Pro CPUs were not available to anyone else for six months, and the reason why no one could match the specs in more expensive PC builds. Just because you don’t bother to check facts does not make any old shit you dream up a fact.

            2. Your desktop CPU does not have the performance and task redundancy that the Xeons have, and why they are used in servers. The whole point of Xeons is the cache levels that is what makes them faster, not clock speed, and far more expensive.

            3. Ram without redundancy is always cheaper, for cheap CPU.

            So go buy an os, a $2,500 CPU, compatible Ram, give real prices for things like Samsung pcie storage ($500), then I’ll bother going through the rest of your made up prices and bogus specs.

            Any prick (that’s you by the way) can make up prices and make nonsense claims.

            One day when you are a big boy and have professional experience you might understand my posts, I’ll wait ten years for you to get it, that’s how long it takes you Littlesofties to catch up.

            My hardware is for work, not a toy PC for children.

          • David

            Go back to to play with your super nice cool Apple Computer, Fanboy.

            Do you go to bed with your Mac Pro?

          • Scr-U-gle

            I leave at work where I am part if a profit centre, how’s life wanking into your mothers bra?

          • David

            Cool, I’m the man who is the reason why you can work. UNIX and Windows Server and Network Administrator.

          • Scr-U-gle

            If that was true, but obviously is a complete lie, you would love OS X as it is UNIX certified.

            It would be nice if you knew what you were talking about.

            Better luck next time, try to bullshit some of the newbies like yourself, it might work on them.

          • David

            Of course you did get me wrong, I love OS X, and Apple Builds nice Hardware wich fits just perfect to thier software. But you tell me a PC with much better hardware for just a bit of the price will not be faster?! Maybe not for you or any OS X user, but speed is something you can mesure and not something you feel and is “nice to use”.

            Apples product livespan is just to long for having a top of the line Mac all the time. They have up to date products at release but not after 6 months or a year, because the Mac Pro stays the same, a PC business is changing. Even today 3 years after the release, the CPU is the same, the GPUs (much worse) are the same. Apple can upgrade it easily but they dont want, they want to make more money. And the not possible upgrades and a 3 Years livespan for a Computer is just the reason why apple is behind in VR. Your 2013 Desktop GPU will not render VR fast enoght, and D300 and D700 are not made for this kind a use.

            Lets remember, you got abusive first and still you arent right, we are talking about a faster PC with better hardware. Not one with ECC or something else you will never need in the live a Mac Pro.

            It is still true that the MP will not be faster than a PC Workstation because you can’t put the latest and greatest hardware in it, because apple don’t want you to, they want to sell you a new MP next year ;)

  • KeyserSoze

    Hahahaha! He done burned you good, Apple. Bullseye!

  • Wolvie

    Mac OSX is a great OS. Much much much better than any windows OS.

    But the bad news is MAC hardware is always lack behind Windows PC for gaming.
    For around $200 – $400 you can have a very decent GPU for PC. But for MAC, they will sell with 4 or 5 times more expensive (if this hardcore gaming GPU ever existed fully compatible with MAC)

    So you can buy MAC for office use, Graphic design, Movie maker, rendering, etc. BUT NOT FOR GAMING !!!

    • Scr-U-gle

      Guess what, you can run any OS on a Mac out the box, you can run any gpu in a thunderbolt2 chassis, TB2 is faster than any bus in any PC.

      iMac 5k start at cheaper than a 5k 27″ monitor with a lower spec than the iMac and you can spec a iMac with a 4gb gpu for $250.

      You were saying?

  • A OSX Gamer

    Ummm, I know this isn’t really popular or “even legal” to say but there is a group of gamers that have a proper mix of hardware up and running for MAC OSX (As I type this I am doing so on a Hack…. with a GTX Titan X 12 GB vid card) so yea, I can run 3 D games on mine…Please support me. Thank you

  • A OSX Gamer

    When I say 3 D (I also do mean virtual reality as well). My wife also has a Titan X in her Hack as well, would love the support. Thanks v/r

  • A OSX Gamer

    Also, before you ask, yes I know all I have to do to play VR on my Hacks is to boot to Windows but OS security (or lack there of on Windows) being what it is (even though OSX has its security issues as well) I much prefer the security of OSX so please design some games for it…suggestion, design your own system and create V/R support based on it. Thanks