No USB Type-C phones in the near future, says Sony

by: Rob TriggsJune 10, 2015
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In Taipei, Sony’s mobile unit has been having a discussion about support for the up and coming USB Type-C standard in its future smartphones and tablets. While the company is certainly considering the technology, it doesn’t have any plans to switch over to the standard right away.

According to Takeshi Nitta, a program manager at Sony Mobile’s Tokyo project office, the industry needs more time to migrate over to the new connector type, presumable before it’s a feature worth including in future mobile products. Sony doesn’t seem to see much point in being a first adopter.

Speaking specifically about its mobile products and the Xperia Z3+ flagship, Nitta suggested that despite the smaller form factor of USB Type-C’s reversible socket, it would not contribute to Sony’s near term goal of producing thinner and lighter smartphones. Instead, the company is more concerned about reducing the thickness of camera modules and display components in order to achieve its target.

Type-C USB is being talked up not only for its potentially faster USB 3.1 data speeds and reversible plug connector, but also for its improved power delivery and support for a wide range of different video output types, including DisplayPort and HDMI. You can read more about the ins-and-outs of the standard here.

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The reversible plug is just one of the benefits heading our way with USB Type-C.

USB Type-C devices support power currents of 1.5A or 3A at 5 volts, which is substantially higher than hundreds of milliamps offered by older connections. This means that mobile devices could charge faster from your laptop or share its screen to your TV via HDMI, providing that they both support Type C connections, which is perhaps Sony’s point after all.

The new USB standard has already appeared in a small selection of laptops and the Nokia N1 smartphone. Google has declared that it is “very committed” to pushing the standard in future Chromebook and Android phones. Sony is likely to make use of USB Type-C at some point the in future, but these comments seem to rule out adoption of the new connector type in the company’s near term product launches.

Is it a big deal that Sony doesn’t want to be on the cutting edge of USB technology, or is the company right to focus on other components and wait for broader adoption?

  • Jugo

    Are people still buying Sony phones?

    • Shoolawa

      You just went full retard. Never go full retard

      • Jugo

        I guess, you must be one of those people.

        • Lean In My Cup

          You’re on the wrong article LG fanboy. Now get back under your stone

          • Jugo

            Not an LG fan, brother.

    • sonya_y

      Not sure about your place but Sony is No. 3 in Germany after Samsung and Apple. Guess they’re doing well in Europe.

      • Lean In My Cup

        Don’t feed him, he’s a troll

      • Jugo

        At least in my city, most showrooms have stopped selling Sony phones. And I personally haven’t met a Sony user in probably over 3 years. Not exaggerating.

    • Christian

      yup.. those of us who were not brainwashed by marketing and gimmicks. :)

      • Jugo

        That’s not a reason enough to buy overpriced devices that have nothing special to offer.

        • Volina

          Name me one feature Sony lacks compared to other OEMs? ( excluding the gimmicks such as IR blaster and heartrate sensor)

          • Jugo

            Name me one feature that Sony does better than other OEMs.

          • Volina

            -Battery: Sony> Samsung,LG, HTC
            -Full pledged manual camera mode since 2012 (DIS , exposure, ISO ,metering)
            -best in class noise cancelling via headphones
            -Waterproofing
            -Speakers HTC >Sony >>>>Samsung,LG
            -UI fluidity and lightness Sony>=HTC >>>>>>Samsung, LG
            – More flexible multitasking compared to Samsung’s multiwindow and LG’s whatever it’s called
            Screen: Samsung > Sony>=HTC >>> LG
            -Performance ( devices of the same fiscal year compared )
            Samsung=Sony > HTC >>>>>LG

            And so on, and so forth…

          • Jugo

            -Camera: Samsung(and Apple) have been leading the department for a few years now.
            -Waterproofing- given, but Sony isn’t the only OEM which provides this feature
            -UI fluidity and lightness: Stock(Moto/Nexus)
            -Multitasking: Samsung
            -Performance: Nexus

          • Volina

            So the few unquestionable truths i provided were ommited in the reply. Others were taken out of context.
            Yet, I proved Sony has more than one advantage over other OEMs. Mission accomplished.
            If you remember, the subject was – ” one thing Sony does better than others”, so your waterproofing argument is irrelevant.
            You obviously have never even seen, let alone used Sony´s mulitasking via small apps.

            Samsung and Apple are the best Point&Shoot cameras, indeed. And all tests online are only focused on that segment. As for semi and pro-sumers Lumia and Sony are a class above. Probably the S6 and G4 are on par or slightly better atm cause of the latest hardware. We´ll have to see how they stack up after Sony releases the official flagship for 2015.

            As for taking moto/nexus into account, ok, but i was comparing the most popular big OEMs ( Samsung, Sony,HTC,LG). So non stock androids. Sony´s UI is basically stock android with a few proprietary apps which actually work and look better than default Google crap ( walkman and album, for example).

            As for nexus leading in performance – good joke.

          • Jugo

            Omitted the ones I agreed with.
            You really think Sony get the best performance? Step out of your bubble.

          • Volina

            Samsung and sony lead in performance . Look at something as trivial as benchmark tests. Top 5- 2 sony phones, a 2 Samsungs etc. Storage read/write speeds no.1. Again I am talking about 2014. Sony still hasn’t released the flagship for this year. Compared my GFs Z1 with a nexus 5. Roaming through the menus, opening basic apps they’re on par . In gaming – Sony destroys it.

          • Jugo

            Nexus 4 runs Injustice and Asphalt flawlessly, if you discount the heating.

          • Volina

            My 2 year old Blackberry Z10 could run Asphalt 8 smoothly, heating up as much as any other phone. Most 200$+ phones should be able to run it.

            Nexus is by no means a crappy device, on the Software aspect it´s on top, ( even that is now a questionable advantage cause of the horrid bugs in lollipop, but not moto/nexus` fault) but we all know that they always lack a bit in hardware, which is understandable considering the price range.
            As I said, look at some tests – Z3compact, Note4 and Z3 always on top in every imaginable category.
            Sure the list has changed in 2015 with the S6,M9,G4 being released.

          • Svnjay

            Keep trolling, the Nexus 4 has an outdated SoC and can’t run Asphalt smoothly at the highest setting. It also has throttling issues.

          • Christian

            Even with just battery, waterproofing, and Speakers. Did he answer your question?

          • Svnjay

            That is a blatant lie. Sony is on par with Samsung and Apple who use Sony sensors.

            Sony is the only-hihgend OEM that crammed flapless waterproofing into a glass and aluminum package.

            We’re talking about skins, not stock Android.

            Samsung can’t win multitasking with memory leak.

            The Nexus 6 has an outdated SoC and the performance was decreased with Android 5.1

            Troll on

          • Jugo

            Nexus 6 has an outdated SoC? Right right

          • Svnjay

            Yes, the 805 is outdated and the performance has decreased with 5.1 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nexus-6-android-5.1-performance-update,4148.html

          • Svnjay

            Also, you have not provided any proof to your claim that Stock Android is more fluid than Sony’s skin. We all know that’s a blatant lie.

          • Jugo

            It’s common knowledge. And nice article, but it doesn’t tell me how 805 compares to Z3’s 801.

          • Svnjay

            I never claimed that Sony had the best performance so I don’t need to compare it’s performance to the Nexua 6. You claimed that the Nexus 6 has the best performance which is clearly a joke. Secondly, the Z3+/Z4 beats the Nezua 6 in benchmarks and also 64 bit and lower mm fabrication process.

        • Christian

          What I think is “special ” from z3 may not be special to you. What phone do you own by the way? And what makes it special? I’m just curious.

          • Jugo

            After losing my HTC, I’m using an Infinix Zero(a low-end android) as a make-do for now. None of the current phones, I feel like investing in. TouchWiz is keeping me from buying an S6.

          • Christian

            badum tsss… lolololol! Infinix what???? You came out here saying there is nothing special with Xperias, even though you agreed at some posts that they lead at some of the features compared to other OEMs (battery, waterproofing, Speakers) and yet you come out with that Infinix bs! you are a waste of time!

          • Jugo

            What are you, eight?

        • Svnjay

          The Z3 has the best battery life on any highend smartphone.

          You’re terribly misinformed.

    • Svnjay

      Smart people, yes.

  • Kacho_ON

    Sony put a lot of money into making the micro-usb port waterproof without needing a flap on the Z3+, so my guess is they don’t want to start all over again with USB-C.

    • Ziich

      But they will have to do it anyway

      • hansip

        Micro usb is still too ubiquitous and plus the added speed is not required for a mobile phone. Note 3 in case even the Note4 drop the usb 3 connection to micro usb for now. Wait for at least 1-2 years and usb c will be much familiar and then Sony will take it.

        • Hamza Salau

          you see you agree with me. regardless of how much money sony put into making micro-usb water proof they will still have to make usb-c waterproof. so Kacho cannot use price of a waterproof usb-c port as an excuse.

          • hansip

            Yes the question is not if but when. They will at some time in the future. But just not now when all the chargers in the world is still micro usb.

    • Svnjay

      Not really, you just need a nano coating for the usb port.

  • Ziich

    Boo Sony! thinner and lighter is bad. I want wireless charging, ois, better speakers, 1440p screen, 2 days of battery life, stock android

    • Wireless charging : yes ; OIS : I think they already have that ; better speakers : yes but hard with waterproofing ; 1440p screen : hell no one 5.20″ screens ; 2 days battery life : yes (thicker = larger battery) ; stock android : sony’s lollipop is almost stock android but better

      • Ordododo

        Exactly . Their digital stabilization is as good as OIS.
        1440p is an overkill on a sub 5.5″ display.
        How many waterproof stereo speakers sound as decent as Sony’s (none ).
        I do agree that the race for “thinnest ” is idiotic . 7mm is already thin enough, squeeze a few more mAh in there , and make an already insane battery life even better .

        • Ziich

          -So just imagine their digital image stabilization plus ois
          -8 cores on a mobile device is all overkill.
          -I’m am tired of hearing the waterproofing excuse for Sony phones. The z3+ speakers revert to the z2 design which is worse than the z3 speakers. I would like to see the z3 speakers as they are on par or even surpass the m9 in terms of volume and bass. The if the clarity could be tweaked slightly then that would be a bonus if not no biggie
          -having an 8 core processor on a mobike device is overkill. If battery life was the real concern why don’t they use and optimized dual core values r quad core processor with a 720p 5 inch screen and 4000mah battery?

          • shoolawa

            We are on the same page mate. But seriously, you are not satisfied with the 2nd best sounding speakers on the android market, which are also water resistant? It´s a small miracle in itself that they managed stereo, and then managed to make it sound good.
            Why would you use both OIS and DIS? they do the exact same thing equally good, Thats like sticking a screen protector over a screen protector.
            I agree that the year of 2015. is the OEM war of needles specs. Im using a 2014 quadcore flagship and its bulldozing through any task i throw at it. (Z2)
            My only issue with the Xperia line is Sony´s obsession with being as thin as possible, and reducing battery capacity using the excuse of new SoCs being more efficient. ( but hey, every other OEM does it) .
            “720p, quadcore, 5″, 400mAh” – you just probably described the eventual Z3compact succesor :)

          • shoolawa

            4000mAh*

          • King_Android

            Second best speakers on a smartphone are the ones in the N6 not the Z3. Sorry

          • shoolawa

            Ok 3rd best sounding speakers then :) Bronze medal is still a medal.

          • King_Android

            Lol #RespectTheNexus

          • Hamza Salau

            -In terms of front facing speakers i would go m9 n6 z3 m8 z3+. Sony has already overcome the waterproof hurdle with the z3. then made worse speakers on the z3+ if you are not going to improve then do not regress.
            – i am pretty sure i read somewhere that one of sony’s newest steady shot combined the benefits of both types of together. ois to eliminate motion blur and dis for low light and reduce noise by using the buffer system. but maybe i’m wrong. a better analogy would be putting a plastic screen protector on a glass screen protector. one resists scratches while the other absorbs shocks from drops.
            -i agree i still use a nexus 5 and it works fine. oems should focus on optimization. it would result in better battery life
            -look at the z3 3100mah battery in a device that 7.3mm. increase that to 8mm and so many of the issues i have would be solved.

          • shoolawa

            Haven´t tested the N6 speakers. They are probably good. Best I ever heard are M9 and Blackberry Z30 ( but subject is android so i didnt mention it).
            As for the OIS+DIS combo, i really dont know. Haven´t been fanboying on Sony forums lately, so im kinda out of touch on what the Z3+ offers. It´s possible… They maybe implemented both, though its highly doubtful, as it requires more complex aperture . Yes it´s abysmal in size but we all know how committed Sony was/is to their camera not sticking out.
            Anyway, if they just pimp up the design a bit, remain on 1080p, increase the battery to 3500-4000mAh, and fix the image processing they´ve got a hit right there. i barely use the cam in superior auto mode, which is the issue, but i see a lot of people complaining. Manual was/is always awesome.

      • Ziich

        They don’t have ois.

    • adam zaib

      Sony is the only company which offers a complete package yet people don’t give them credit where it’s due. They offer front facing speakers, premium design, expandable storage, water resistance, solid cameras, longest battery life on any smartphone, offer a smaller no compromise flagship (z3 compact) and have the most fluid skin on top of android + remote play (mainlyfor ps4 owners) is a bonus yet everyone looks at samsung, htc or lg for “flagship” handsets.

      • Ziich

        Does the z3+ camera even need to be reviewed it’s the same camera in the z3 and the z2 before it. I agree with you for the most part. Sony get so much right with their phones but there are a few things they continue to omit.

        • adam zaib

          It should be reviewed, Sony’s camera hardware wise is solid its just their post software processing which lets them down so maybe they’ve improved its image quality via software in the new z3+? We’ll never know till its tested but many people claim the camera is superb on the z2/z3 in manual mode so its just their auto mode they need to fix but even if they don’t its still in the top 3 for android flagship cameras

      • Ethos Evoss

        longest battery life ??ar u crazy? mine mate 7 stay last 2 days
        and ppl doesnt look at htc as they reported very bad sales..

      • King_Android

        The best skin on any of the phones is Motorola. Hands down.

    • Armin

      If things with Sony continue to stay this way, and they keep staying ignorant of new technologies and reluctant to change, then I will have to buy a Note 5 when it comes out. I have a Note 4 right now, and it works very well; it does everything I want from it.

      • Ethos Evoss

        don’t think that 5 gonna have 3.1 either..

    • Ethos Evoss

      quite useless requirements..

      wireless charging what for? and in reality it isn’t any wireless still u have to connect bloody cable to wireless thingy ..

      with 2k screen u won’t get any near your required 2 days ! stock android ? disgusting ! sony has quite nice ui, but that all nothing else..

      • Hamza Salau

        Those are your preferences. everyone one is likely to have different ones. Because you don’t like mine does not make them useless.
        I like stock android
        I like and use and enjoy wireless charging
        a 2k screen with and optimized processor and large battery will get me my required two days. it is not impossible.

        • Ethos Evoss

          which phone u have ? no chance 2k screen and two days !

    • Svnjay

      Except that Sony’s skin is close to stock, already two days and they some of the best speakers on the market.

  • Masna Bin Umeed

    Well thats disappointing
    I really hope they change their minds

  • Aleksandar Šmigić

    I hope Samsung puts it in the note 5

  • Satongi

    The question should be “why not?” instead of “why should we include usb c”. Then later when they will jump on the boat late, they will pretend that this new usb is awesome and stuff… Sony will be the new slowpoke. “industry needs more time to migrate over”, dont they fricking understand that if there will be no usb type c included in devices, there will be nothing to move over to! Dipshits

  • Dis

    Sony like to remain 2 years behind the trend. One of many reasons they are headed for an early grave.

  • Cool

    Yup. Sony clearly doesn’t get it.

    I don’t want thinner and lighter. I want a bigger battery, yet they’ve actually shrunk it in the iterations of the Z line. Get with the program, guys. Seriously. I’m so sick of the race for the thinnest phone. Battery life is more important than having a really thin dead phone.

    • Christian

      they already have the best battery life compared to other smartphones (2 days, even longer at times). They achieve it and yet still have a thin body (without a protruding camera lens).

      • Cool

        Ok. See my post above.

        It explains my point of view. Cheers.

    • cloquazidus .

      Seriously dude…

      ” Im so sick of the race for the thinnest phone. Battery life is more important than having a really thin dead phone.”

      I’m sure you don’t own Xperia, 2-4 days not enough for you? Hehe…

      • Cool

        That’s with stamina modes turned on, though. Why not just design the phone to be that efficient without added modes? :)

        Yes, the stamina modes are good for extending battery life so I won’t question that. But if 2-4 days is possible with that imagine what are larger battery would get you? And, yes, I’ve used Sony phones. I say these things because I don’t mind critiquing something I’ve used. For some reason people that buy a product will vehemently defend it no matter what (they want to feel good about their purchase I suppose). I don’t choose to align myself so closely. ;)

        • Svnjay

          Sony phones last two days with moderate and no stamina mode.

          • Cool

            Cool. So does my Nexus 5.

            Like I said above, I’ve used Sony phones before, so I’m familiar with what they are capable of. *shrugs*.

          • Svnjay

            The Nexus 5 has atrocious battery life and the Z3 lasts twice as long. You are quite misinformed on Sony devices, it will be great if you refrain from posting anymore misinformation.

            Source – Phone Arena

  • iChebbi

    “…has already appeared in a small selection of laptops and the Nokia N1 smartphone…”
    The Nokia N1 is a smartphone ?

  • Great Dude

    Unlike most peoples opinions I still prefer USB 2.o over USB C , because I don’t want to change my cables which are all of them already USB 2. I think most people are like me who don’t have PCs with Type C connectors. Nevermind I f I went out there is no type C at coffees or most friends.
    I prefer to wait maybe two years for Type C or even better they should make 2 ports ,one for type C and one micro USB 2.0 ,like Sony Xperia S that had 2 ports ,one for HDMI and one for micro USB 2.0.

  • Ordododo

    Yet another article, cleverly phrased to make Sony look bad… NOONE has type-C on their phones, except the Nokia, and yet again Sony is bashed, and made to look like they´re behind.
    Kinda reminds me of the whole lollipop update distribution articles around here. The whole Z line got it, android M already scheduled, even the M2 whiners gonna get 5.1, and yet the article headline on AA was “no lollipop for E4? Really,Sony?!” So thats bashing a company providing support to devices more than 2 years old. (the original Z )
    Again, let´s recap – how many OEMs have type-C? almost none. Why the condescending tone towards the brand then?
    90% of android users are convinced that Sony is behind hardware and software wise, cause of continuous misleading articles, tests etc like these. Such a shame. As the New York times named the Z series “Android´s best kept secret , hidden gem”.

    • Svnjay

      That’s why I left AA. They’re hellbent on making Sony look bad.

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  • Da Fuq

    Always thinner… Well, I’m happy with my 9.5mm Z1C.

  • Sandeep Doguparthi

    No phones from Sony in near future also no problem. Who cares about Sony now

  • Armin

    Look here, Sony; people are tired of your shit. It’s simple, all we want is a Sony smart-phone with a 5.5″ 3840×2160 screen, front facing speakers, 128 GB internal storage, removable battery and SD card slot, wireless charging, NFC, IOS, dual LED flash, stock Android and USB Type-C. No one cares about the water-proofness of your phone, NO ONE; not when the drawbacks of it are having to have floppy silicon seals everywhere all over the phone. Those floppy silicone flaps were annoying enough on the PSP for fuck sake. For a Japanese company, you seem to be very behind on the smart-phone market.

    • Nippon

      The new Sony with an insane ammount of flaps! ONE! Can you imagine all that work, opening ONE flap?! sheeesh.
      The specs you demand can easily be crammed up in a phone, but would you be willing to pay 1500$ for it? ( cause that would be the aproximate price)

    • Svnjay

      Muh’ stock Android!

  • Kwetsima Maluleke

    This is Sony we talking about. They’re behind with screen quality, camera quality (Which is extremely ironic), now ports and sales.

  • Ethos Evoss

    Sony are bunch of idiots

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  • Ethos Evoss

    Sony are weirdos.. they will be abadoned soon..

  • droidtomtom

    I am holding out on upgrading all my families tablets, phones, laptops, tvs, and LCD monitors until I can get them all in USB-C.

  • King_Android

    Goodbye Sony Mobile