Tech companies rally to Apple’s side in encryption debate

by: Rob TriggsFebruary 26, 2016
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Apple’s row with the US Justice Department regarding smartphone encryption, unlocking and back-doors continues, and now a number of high profile companies in the technology industry are planning to file a joint motion in support of Apple. According to people familiar with the matter, Alphabet Inc, Facebook, and Microsoft are among the names on the list.

At least one other major tech company is expected to join the filing, with Twitter’s name being suggested as a possible candidate. Although the official wording is yet to be announced, the joint motion is expected to generally support the idea that unlocking smartphones, even those owned by alleged terrorists, would undermine industry efforts to protect users’ digital information.

This won’t be the first time that key industry players have come out on Apple’s side of the argument, but a combined and very public united front involving a number of household Silicon Valley names will certainly up the ante. Microsoft President and Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith told Congress on Thursday that his company would file a motion supporting Apple. Google CEO Sundar Pichai took to Twitter last week to voice his concerns, stating that law enforcement plans would set a “troubling precedent,” and Facebook’s Mike Zuckerberg has also offered similar sentiments about security back-doors not being an “effective way to increase security.”

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This news comes after Apple filed a motion asking U.S. Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym to effectively reverse her order demanding that the company aid investigators in bypassing security pass-codes on the iPhone belonging to Syed Rizwan Farook, who was involved in December’s San Bernardino shooting. The company argued that the order was “unprecedented” and that it had no support within the law.

“No court has ever authorized what the government now seeks, no law supports such unlimited and sweeping use of the judicial process, and the Constitution forbids it.” – Apple

Apple, along with others in the industry, argue that it should be up to the Congress to make a ruling around the issue of encryption and digital security, rather than courts and the FBI taking matters, and effectively the law, into their own hands. The debate has polarized opinions across the country and around the world. Clearly, there is still a way to go before a resolution is found.

  • ASYOUTHIA

    If the companies started to back ? the day after ? came out and told the FBI to eat a dick and choke on it then that would look less of a PR stunt then it does now

  • Nikkarus

    Mark Zuckerberg?

    • Sergio Arroyo

      lol mike zuckerberg

  • Diego

    facebook?
    aren’t they spying on their users 24/7?
    Can someone explain why Facebook would do this?

    • Asap Bryce

      How does facebook “spy” on it’s users?

    • Don_Alduck

      Because it looks good in the News

  • Richard Mcallister

    As ever, Apple think they are the ‘all mighty’ and, like tax avoidance, theycan call the shots …and all the rest of them (US tech ..) are climbing on the ‘we are untouchable’ ship ..

    • Brad Fortin

      Hahaha, “I hate Apple, to the point where even if they have sound legal and moral arguments I still think they’re evil, as well as anyone who sides with them!”, great logic.

  • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

    Meanwhile, Mark Zuckerberg and Twitter’s CEO are shown on ISIS video’s with bullet holes in their faces. And these are the terrorists that the tech companies want to protect?

    • Asap Bryce

      They want to protect the privacy of their users. You really think the government isn’t going to use the “back-door” to invade drug dealer’s and other people’s phones too. Everyone has the right to privacy and giving the government the ability to hack any phone is basically saying that you trust that the government isn’t going to spy on all of us. Ever heard of snowden?

      • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

        NO…NO they don’t. They want to protect their core business. They don’t give a SH|T about your privacy. Wake up man. Apple is playing you like a violin. And I guarantee you, Congress will make the FBI and Apple come to a compromise to benefit both users and National Security. Apple is not going to win this one sided battle.

        Snowden is a fuqin traitor. Ever heard of the word traitor? Ever wonder why he is hiding in Russia, a country that our country is exactly buddy buddy with. Again, wake the fuq up Mr. ball player.

        • ChiefCherokee510

          Pathetic

          Your logic is trash. This is the real issue. If you create a backdoor then anyone can steal the key and get in and do whatever they want with all of your private information. That includes the terrorists. So by creating a backdoor you are not only enabling the the FBI, but you are also enabling the terrorists you seem to fear so much. (although you are more likely to get killed by a cop then a terrorist attack). Now think about a world where every single person in America, will be at a much higher risk of a terrorist attack because there is no way to protect ourselves by ensuring total security. You are missing the bigger picture. Why don’t you go actually read the constitution?

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Blah Blah Blah. You’re a noob here, most likely a new account created by one of the other cloners.

          • Diego

            Lol.
            How is that replying to his comment.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Because it’s the same guy that clones everyone’s account and says the same thing. So I don’t reply to the same crap.

          • lolwut

            I usually don’t resort to ad hominem, but you’re such an idiot that I can’t dignify this in any other way than pointing out that you’re an idiot

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Your mother is an idiot and I see you also are another cloner that uses the same “ad hominem” reference as a bunch of other clone accounts. Really, don’t you get tired of creating so many accounts…LOL? You must not have a life whatsoever. Do you even know what woman feels like? And I am not talking about your blow up doll either.

          • lolwut

            I don’t have a mother, I was summoned out of thin air. My existence is a miracle! Based on your comment, it appears that your existence is a genetic mistake. But hey, genetic mutations happen. That’s not your fault.

            To your second point: you got me, I created this account years ago and made over 1,000 posts hoping for this exact moment. Excellent sleuthing skills! You caught me.

            Third, I don’t want to speak about my sex life, though it sounds like you want me to (I guess you have some weird fascination with other men’s sex life?) so I’ll bite as a matter of reinforcing what a moron you really are. Most recent development in my sex life: your mom did offer to sleep with me, but I politely declined (nice lady, but man is she stupid and hideously ugly). I really hope that she finds a nice man and that for the world’s sake, they don’t procreate and create another genetic abomination like you and your siblings.

            ☐ Not REKT
            ☑ REKT

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Actually you were summoned staright out of Tim Cook’s ass. You are the miracle p00p created by your fearless CEO.

            You may have created this account years ago, but have created many more with the “ad hominem” reference that gives you away each and every time. Exactly how many people use that reference here on BRG?

            I could care less about your sex life but given the fact that you create so many accounts, it isn’t difficult to know that you don’t have a sex life. Your hand and other products don’t count. Sorry to say.

            I see you checked off that you got REKT. By Tim Cook? Hmmm, I stand corrected, you do have a sex life, just not with a woman but with a [email protected] Thanks for clearing that up.

          • Diego

            I really need some of what you’re smoking.
            This isn’t BGR.
            I can tell you have multiple accounts based on your username.
            Let me gess, you’re @Qualityovereverything or @domino67?

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            What I am smoking is called intelligence. You should try some sometime. Obviously you need it if you think I have those accounts.

          • Diego

            Your first comment tells me otherwise.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            That’s because you aren’t intelligent. Get the picture, numbskull?

          • Diego

            protecting terrorists you say?
            The government is giving them guns and funds.
            Also, the phones used in the paris attacks were dumb phones.
            So, whats your point.

          • Diego

            roasted.

          • Diego

            budd, this isn’t BGR

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            I don’t care. You reply with your [email protected], this is what you get in return. Want more?

            And FYI…this is Disqus which is used on many websites.

          • ChiefCherokee510

            Notice how he first said I was a noob and then he said I was the same guy who clones everyones account? So what is it? Am I a noob or am I a veteran account cloner here? You are a fucken idiot. Noob here? I’ve been reading this website for years bitch. This is the first time I leave a comment. I just had to respond because you are that stupid. I could not hold myself from having a little fun with your idiot logic. Let me get one thing straight. Fuck Apple. Fuck Google. And fuck any and all corporations. I vote with my dollars and I will buy directly from the Chinese if they put out a good product. This isn’t about holding a pathetic allegiance to a fucken company. This is about our constitutional right to privacy.

        • Diego

          Government worker detected.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Asswhole detected……………….^^^^^^

          • Diego

            Government OS user detected.
            =

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Asswhole penetrated by Tim Coçk detected by your moaning.

        • tiger

          Oh no, it is Android and Google that don’t give a SH!T about privacy.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            My opinion on this situation applies to every tech company. If you had read my other replies mentioning the same, you wouldn’t have made your comment.

    • Brad Fortin

      Somebody’s got a chip on their shoulder…

      • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

        How exactly does pointing out what is going on mean having a chip on my shoulder? If you were to say something to the contrary, would I be justified in saying the same to you?

        • Brad Fortin

          Your first sentence about ISIS was pointing something out. Your second statement is conjecture, implying that tech companies explicitly and wholeheartedly want to protect terrorists, which is false but you still try to paint as true in your question. What they actually want to do is protect *everyone*. “Terrorists” happen to be a subset of “everyone”, and there’s no way for any protections to discriminate based on religious/political/etc affiliations.

          The same thing could be said for any other secure device, like a safe/vault. Should companies that build safes and vaults be required by law enforcement to break into their own safes and custom-design safes and vaults that are intentionally weakened to allow easier unauthorized access? No, those companies want to build the most secure safes and vaults possible.

          There’s nothing wrong with companies wanting to protect their customers, and there’s nothing wrong with supporting a company that wants to protect its customers.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            And your first reply was also conjecture. If you know that 14 people were murdered and won’t assist authorities in recovering potential criminal evidence, then I have every right to my opinion as I see fit. And when the Supreme court gets this case, they will decide whether Apple must comply or not. There is nothing wrong with protecting customers, as long as it is not criminals and terrorists. Then it becomes VERY wrong.

          • tiger

            What happens if Apple gets hacked and the special iOS version gets out in the wild?

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            What if this and what if that? What if you stop making up hypothetical situations based on fear?

          • tiger

            So, Sony, Target, Home Depot, Google, etc. never got hacked? Hacking does not happen everyday?

            You’re an idiot.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            So wait a second, you are saying that Apple can create a so called “unhackable OS” but can’t prevent hacking of their own servers? And you want to place your faith on the OS?

            Who’s the fuqing idiot now?

          • tiger

            Here’s something…read up on end-to-end encryption moron!

            You’re not understanding the discussion here boy.

            End-to-end encryption protect data on the server side.

            This is not what we’re talking about.

            FBI wants a separate special iOS version that removes security so that it can be loaded into any iPhone to bypass security measures.

            So, if Apple got hacked OR if someone leaked the version out and someone got their hands on this special iOS version, he/she can hacked into ANY iDevice.

            FBI wants something that it hacked into the device itself.

            Got it yet moron? STFU dude. You are clueless.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            Kiss my ass and die, d|ckhead.

          • tiger

            Haha you’re a dumbass. Your response shows your true ignorance.

            Hey little girl, wear big panties next time.

          • Apple_Anti-USA_Terror_Lovers

            How about this response, your name suits you. You are from the cat family. So that makes you a pùssie.

            LMMFAO!!!!!

          • tiger

            That’s it? So when you are exposed to be no more than a little girl with too tight panties, you start shitting yourself?

            Next time little girl, read up on the stuff before posting stupid shit and embarrassing yourself.

            Now move along, I am not done tapping your mother.

  • ddd

    I am not support fucking apple company because the company has stupid products and apple workers are bunch of assholes and scumbags. Tim Cook encrypted terrorist’s piece of garbage iphone. Terrorist could hack people’s iphone if tim cook(asshole) want to encrypt.
    If I hear news about fbi and apple, I love to throw phone to ugliest tim cook face and punch his face really hard and throw piece of garbage products to piece of garbage place apple store.
    I watch news about fbi and piece of garbage apple. I always make fun of piece of garbage apple and laugh my ass off all the time. Tim cook doesn’t know what he is talking about so he talks like I am working with piece of garbage company and we have piece of garbage products and our company always make biggest mistakes all the time.
    Piece of garbage apple products don’t make display and camera, and processor and battey. Display made from LG ips lcd and processor made from other companies, and camera made from Sony. What else apple can do? NOTHING AT ALL. DOES APPLE FANS KNOW ABOUT THIS SHIT? HELL NO. APPLE FANS DON’T KNOW NOTHING AT ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE BIGGEST LOSER.
    Biggest assholes and scumbags tim cook and co workers are going to JAIL(HELL IN A CELL) very soon.

    SUCK IT BITCHES

    • ddd

      Fbi should rid of all apple products in whole u.s. because apple workers made biggest mistakes all time.

      • Diego

        android phones too, they allow encryption as well.

    • gg

      People could estimate your IQ from this message. It’s probably between 60 en 80. Have a nice day.

      • ddd

        U don’t know nothing about technology. I have more knowledge than rest of people. Your IQ is -20 because you are scumbag.

        • Diego

          awwww, what happened?
          got upset by that single comment?
          Stop trying to pretend you’re smart, you aren’t.

    • Diego

      Dat IQ must be low.

    • tiger

      Who makes processors for Android? Qualcomm? Who makes the chips for Qualcomm?

      Just saying…you’re a dumbass.

    • Aftermath

      Apple is a software and design company. So is Google and Microsoft. They design the product and third party manufacturers make it. Samsung is the only one that owns every part of its supply chain and even then the CPU is a custom Qualcomm which is ARM.
      Your comment is like bitching about how like D&G don’t make their own leather for their jackets. That’s like saying if you design a spaceship you have to build it with no external parts otherwise it’s not your spaceship.
      Also all modern smartphones are encrypted and as to why encrypt. Maybe you should read like wikipedia page about it before you come here and write uninformed comments. Encryption is to protect everyone including people like you. It’s so other people on this site with a gun can’t find out where you live easily.

      • ddd

        Apple software ios 8 and 9 copy from most of android os features. Iphone design copy exactly from htc one phone. Apple is biggesr loser in the market. U don’t know nothing about tech. Does apple makes display and camera, and processor and battery? HELL NO

        GO FUCK YOURESELF. SCUMBAG

  • b

    Microsoft want to say “NO” to FBI? Really? Is there an idiot to believe them after EULA of Windows 10?

  • Daggett Beaver

    Apple should decrypt that ONE phone. That’s a special case where the phone belonged to terrorists.

    What Apple should NOT do is enable a backdoor for government to decrypt ANY and ALL of its phones.

    • Asap Bryce

      They go hand-in-hand. You’re not understanding the issue.

    • Leigh Conner

      That is not what the government is wanting. The government is wanting Apple to create an entirely new operating system with lower security and deliver it to them. That OS could then be used on millions of iOS devices.
      Apple is not being given the option of decrypting just this one phone.

  • Apury

    Good ‘ol Mike.

  • apolloa

    “Tech companies rally to Apple’s side in encryption debate”.. whilst also selling as much of your data they have as possible for profit without asking you to…….
    Hypocrisy IS the modern day tech giant capitalist world.

  • Brock

    I’m with Apple on this issue, but here is what I am wondering. Why not create the backdoor and sign the new IOS just like they do now? Once the IOS has been installed stop signing it, this would be the same process they use to stop us from downgrading to a old version of IOS. They could also put strings of code in the IOS to tie it to that phones IMEI number, kinda like how the Touch ID is tied to the mother board of a phone so the IOS could only be signed to that phone. Would this not be possible? Would this not create a backdoor that is only tied to that phone?

    • Diego

      If they installed the new iOS, the data will be wiped anyway.

    • Aftermath

      The code that ties the backdoor to that phone only is a small part of the larger code. It’s the rest of the code that does the backdooring and the locking it to a specific phone is a verification. So even without the verification the code required for the hack is there. It’s like making a pizza and you’re selling different toppings for different people but at the same time all the pizzas share the same pizza base.

  • saketh ram

    Mark, right ? Lol

  • Diego

    The hate is strong with some of you.

  • hackermike

    I don’t know how any one of you who believed those apple nonsense, this is just market propaganda, first government already have all your data and your information, apple is try to overcome Samsung galaxy launch so this way people would continue talking about it and forget about Samsung latest phone. people open your eyes and see what going on; do ever believe those nonsense.

    • tiger

      You’re kinda stupid.

  • Aftermath

    I don’t think people understand the consequences should Apple deliver an iOS with a backdoor. In normal people terms. If FBI wins the case, then Android which is also encrypted and more commonly used than iOS will be made to create a backdoor too.
    Now you’re thinking so what? So what if there’s a backdoor for the FBI, it’s to catch bad guys right? Correct it is to catch bad guys and it’s fine if you trust the Government to use this power appropriately. Just remember the NSA spied on everyone and passed around dick pics for fun at work.
    Governments aren’t hack proof, they get hacked all the time. Imagine if the very bad guys that the FBI is protecting you from get the key to the backdoor.
    Here are two things that I would hate to not have anymore
    1. Sexting. Unless you want people in office looking at your loved ones private parts or it to end up on porn sites
    2. Mobile banking apps. Everything on your phone will be unprotected. Each time you make a transaction on your phone there’s a chance some hacker can steal that off your phone.

    I wanna keep sexting and buying shit off my phone. I support Apple in this. Also if all the major tech companies are rallying behind Apple, then consider why. These are people that studied computer science from some of the best institutions in the world. They’re what you call experts in computer security. They’re not evil satan worshipping people. They’re 20 and 30 year olds that graduated from university and got a job and earn a paycheck and eat food and start a family and drink on fridays and get shitfaced by saturday morning. They don’t care about you anymore than you caring about a stranger. They simply understand the consequences this will have on their personal devices and they’re against it.

  • John Doe

    So why can’t Apple just un-encrypt the iPhone with the security issue, and send the data to the FBI??
    I agree that giving the FBI, Homeland Security and others their method for reading encrypted phones is a huge problem, but just
    unencrypting 1 phone and sending them the data is not such a big deal.

  • Sami Cooper

    I hope this isn’t just marketing and a legitimate plea for the concern of our security across technology.