Samsung’s 64-bit chips are nearly ready, Android not so much, says Korean media

September 23, 2013

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Following Apple’s announcement of the 64-bit A7 chip in the new iPhone 5s, Samsung scrambled to reassure spec hungry customers that it’s not too far behind the curve.

The company’s CEO stated that Samsung is definitely bringing 64-bit processors to market next year, although that won’t happen “in the shortest of time”. That cautious warning led us to believe that the Galaxy S5 probably won’t be the first Samsung phone with a 64-bit processor, with the honor more likely to belong to the Note 4.

A new report from the Korean press seems to back our educated guess. According to an unnamed Samsung executive cited by the Daum news portal, Samsung has entered the final stage of development of 64-bit processors, with the tech ready to be adopted in the “next smartphone-tablet”. We’re not sure from the machine translation whether that simply refers “upcoming smartphones and tablets” or to a smartphone-tablet hybrid, also known as a phablet.

The same report claims that Android will only go 64-bit next year. A presentation from Intel’s Developer Forum event last week suggested that the new architecture might come to Android in 4.4. KitKat.

If Android 4.4 is not 64-bit, Samsung has no reason besides some dubious marketing claims to push for a 64-bit processor in the Galaxy S5, which leaves the Note 4 as the best bet. We’ll find out soon enough, as Google gears up for its customary late year Android release.

Comments

  • Guest

    Wasn’t there a picture from an intel slide showing android 4.4 to have x64.

    http://www.androidauthority.com/64-bit-support-android-4-4-kitkat-270474/

    • MasterMuffin

      Yes, the article mentions it

  • Deondrae

    Possible specs for the Galaxy s5
    - OIS camera
    - 16MP or 20 MP like the Sony honami (Nokia has 41MP in the lumia 1020)
    - 5.2inch screen or keep it at 5inch
    - Android 4.4 KitKat as i highly doubt 5.0 will be out by then
    - 4k recording (available in some Note 3)
    - 3200 or 3300 mAh battery (S4 has 3100, s3 had 2600)
    - Slimmer or Lighter depending on battery size improvements
    - Improved front facing camera to 3MP just for spec additions
    - 3GB RAM

    DOUBTFUL:
    - A better processor than the snap800 (2.3 GHz) will a better one be out by then?
    - Can the s5 get any slimmer? if so would you still want a bigger battery?
    - Bezel sizes. i think they have been maxed out on the s4 chasis unless the buttons are moved to the back like that of the (LG G2)

    • Genti Xhanari

      1- S4′s battery is not 3100mAh, it’s 2600mAh and S3′s is 2100mAh.
      2- Why the fuck did you mention Sony and Nokia’s camera?

      • Cristi13

        He just wanted to be first and to start a flame war, nothing new here…

        • Deondrae

          Thing is i love samsung. i just think there are some areas they could improve on like their marketing and a few other bits then theyll totally dominate which i hope happens.

      • Deondrae

        oops got some editing to do. FIXED
        secondly, calm down!!

        if samsung wants to be the top dog in the camera smartphone industry then theyll have to do better than a 13MP camera instead of bringing out the galaxy zoom.

        Even the zoom has 13MP if im not mistaken which raises the question as to why i would buy a camera smartphone thats bulky with 13MP when sony and nokia are doing alot better and its alot slimmer.

        • Genti Xhanari

          Firstly sorry for sounding a little aggressive. So Zoom’s camera is 16MP, but even if it was 13 it wouldn’t make any major difference (at least not for me). The camera’s quality has to do with other factors like lighting and other stuff like that, Having more MP means you can zoom in even more without affecting the resolution. For example: I have the S4, now when you open settings from the camera you can choose how many MP you want to use, the best part is that if you choose 13MP it doesn’t make full screen photos (4:3), but if you choose 9.6MP instead (16:9) then it takes full screen photos and unless you zoom in there’s no difference between the two. The same thing with the secondary camera too (2MP), it has the same quality as the primary one but in the secondary you can’t zoom in. 2MP means 1920X1080 (this is also the screen resolution of the S4) so for you to be able to open the photos in FULL HD it doesn’t let you zoom in. And comparing the whole thing with the Nokia, well with Nokia you can zoom in 4 times without affecting the resolution, but you won’t be able to see clearer photos (talking about pixels here) with the Nokia 1020 than with a S4, That is because Nokia’s camera has a HD resolution (1280X768). So ironically even if Nokia has a more “pixelised” camera than the S4′s the screen resolution of Nokia prevents you from seeing the true beauty of the photo. You can open more pixelised photos with the S4, but still you can’t open the PHOTO’S full resolution because 13MP means 4128X3096 and I don’t know any existing screens which can have that resolution. Note that I’m not comparing the camera’s here, Nokia’s camera will clearly be better than the S4′s. Now my whole point in the other post was that you don’t need to mention other phone’s cameras, nevertheless I thought it would be better to explain some things. Sorry for the long post and the aggression in my other post again and I hope this was somehow educative.

          • Deondrae

            Very well said sir.

            i wish everyones replies regardless of whether theyre negative or not would be as insighful, less mouthcockful and educational as this one.

        • MasterMuffin

          Megapixel count doesn’t make the camera good. They could make an incredible camera by keeping the MP at 13 and making other parts of the camera better

          • Deondrae

            Damn, i forgot that MP dont mean sh!t but i will keep that in mind next time…. i do like zooming when recording so maybe the high MP count could help out that way.

    • theotheruseoneishere

      i dont personally want a more pixel, it is better to have camera that gets in more light and have larger pixels, why wouldnt they improve the camera in that way. s4 takes shitty low light pictures and every time they just increase the megapixel rather than giving a better sensor. wtf.

      plus samsung is shitty with RAM, S4 has 2gb of ram but when you have few apps open it is on 1.6gb full wtf dude. come on. manage that crap.

      • Wavefunction Collapse

        It’s not the RAM itself, it’s obviously the Sammy apps.

      • Hellz

        common misconception is that more free ram on android means faster phone response and better operation overall. android works the other way around. it keeps apps in ram for faster restarting. when there is app that needs more than available ram, android automatically deletes those “cached” programs and frees more ram for your app. so low memory on android isnt such a bad thing

        • theotheruseoneishere

          i see. didnt know that. but some things we can do without them running the whole time. i dont know about coding things. but yeah maybe thats why i get better notifications on s4 compared to ipad.

    • wferreira

      I HOPE CAN BE LIGHTER AND SMALLER PROFILE BY THAT TIME AND SAMMY GET THE FLEXIBLE DISPLAYS OUT, AND THAT CAN CHANGE A LOT OF FACTORS MAYBE AS A BIGGER BATTERY? :)

    • MasterMuffin

      Not again

      • Deondrae

        lol the Note 3 phase has passed… onto the next > Gs5 (PLUS i wasnt wrong about the NOTE 3 predictions including the one you once shut me down on which was the 4K recording)

        but more importantly like i said a few months back, i was planning to get the NOTE 3 as my second driver besides my iPhone 5. Im a little lost as to whether to get it or wait 6 months for the Gs5… i feel like they held back a little on the NOTE 3 :(

    • Ben Edwards

      There will definitely be a better processor than the Snapdragon 800 by the time the S5 is in development, the processor game moves incredibly quick and I can almost guarantee Qualcomm has something better already (not to mention Samsung, nVidia etc.).

  • Wes

    Ok so this whole 64bit billshit is getting to me. So apple has the most advanced processor on the market. Boohoo. What the heck can I do with it on that phone that I cannot do in almost the same time on a snapdragon 800 device? Then ask yourself what you can do on a snapdragon 800 device that you just cannot do on an iPhone 5s….A LOT. Apple has given its flagship the power to process like a desktop but nothing to tap it with yet. By the time we actually see ourselves fully tapping into the power of 64 bit computing, android will be light years ahead. Tue truth is you can do more with Android as a 32bit OS. Than you could have ever done with iOS. The A7 is a desktop class processor, but android has ALWAYS been a desktop class OS. the processors are just beginning to catch up with its awesome.

    • mobilemann

      the better question is why does apple being superior in some ways bother you? I don’t think it bothers many iphone owners that the note 3 has literally 3x the RAM than the 5s.

      Love to know what you think you can do with an android also, that you can’t do with an iOS device. I generally can do most things with both (VPN into my house for vnc, stream videos, checking IP cameras, adding stuff to sick beard and couchpotato.

      • MasterMuffin

        Run another Os :P

        • mobilemann

          that’s not a function, you do on a phone, or a feature. Although for geek’s, and unlocked bootloader is super nice, i agree! (another reason why geeks rock android:D)

          Also, i’ve flashed android on my iphone 3g:D (not that it was awesome)

        • mobilemann

          my reply is missing?

          i meant more a task than a modification to your device. Like checking email, vpn, RDP, etc.

      • l3inad

        Have u tried OTG cable, add sd card, play films from sd cards, transfer video clips using bluetooth, multi screen, widgets, copy files from pc to ur phone…

        • mobilemann

          i own an OTG cable for my s3:D But SD cards you can play (specific formats) on iOS devices. None of those things are actual tasks apart from copying files from your PC to your phone, which you can do with iOS as well.

          Bluetooth you are right on about. Apple has stupid limits on it for no reason at all. tbh, i should have thought of that myself.

          you should also know, the best multi app implementation ever was only on iOS (look up quasar on youtube if interested) but jailbroken iOS. (it kills both multiview and cornerstone) But if you actually want to get stuff done? They are the same dude.

      • Rooney-

        sENDING A FILE THRU BLUETOOTH :-P Possible??

    • mrjayviper

      disclosure: I used to own a 4s and ipad3 but have moved on to a Note2/ Asus Infinity
      ———————————-
      I see music making apps available on iOS but this seems to be not present for android. I think these kind of app with benefit greatly from 64bit.

    • fatyss

      The 64-bit CPU is a big deal. No the phone doesn’t have 4+ GB of RAM, but that doesn’t mean the A7 isn’t providing 2X the performance over the A6. In fact, it decimates the competition in most benchmarks. Apple designed the chip and Samsung made it for them. It’s a big deal and will be more obvious in say 6 months once developers really tap into it. But it’s getting a head start for the future.

      People (not saying you personally) keep saying the same stupid thing “there aren’t any apps that take advantage of it so it’s useless, just a marketing bullet point”. Christ people are ignorant. Please explainHOW developers are supposed to develop for a 64-bit CPU THAT DOES NOT EXIST?? Yeah, exactly… so in order to get to those apps and that future, they need the CPU and the 64-bit OS, the specs, the SDK, and all that stuff FIRST. DUH!
      Meanwhile, enjoy the benchmarks…

      A7 smashes the rest.

      • john

        64bit processor is twice as fast huh? *stares at atmel 8 bit and 32 bit…*
        So… just to be sure, we are talking about 64bit as in 64 bit long registers? I mean from the sound of this people seem to think “64bit” == everything 2X.
        Most 64bit micro-controllers are not doubly faster than those of 32bit brethren, and even the increase in speed due to other factors, FPUs, better pipelines, etc.

        Sure, longer register is vital to computing speed, but like everything you need to consider all other bottlenecks. In fact, I would go as far to say 64bit ISA is the last thing people would implement to increase the real application performance. There is simply no practical demand for it as of now.

        So, is it the way of the future? Sure, in next couple of years or so, but even than there are plenty of workarounds for shorter address length, seriously. IMHO people who says A7 is the best because it is 64bit is like saying I have the toughest transmission in a 100 horse power car: is it a feature? yes. Is it a usable feature? Not really even for the most developers. Is it a necessary improvement to un-bottleneck the SoC performance? Nope, not really.

        TL;DR Is it powerful? Yes definitely. But again is it an easily accessible feature that would be applied in many situations to improve the overall performance? Nope.

        I honestly thought the “next geneation” of mobile SoCs would implement even more threads and better accelerators, like GPUs and efficient FPUs.

        By the by, there are few situations where 64bit is much faster than 32 bit, not twice, but like 10 times, but I wouldn’t go far as to say simple ALU performance roughly equals to the actual application performance, it just doesn’t work that way.

        • fatyss

          We still don’t know how developer will tap it , lets see it after 6 month and why its not necessary simple operation there are some application which can use it efficiently you may not use those apps but other can.

        • NewtonsApple

          John,
          You are a blowhard trying to show off with tech speak.
          Opinions don’t count. Facts, statistics, then analysis.

          To quote a reputable source:
          “Apple doesn’t quite hit the 2x increase in CPU performance here, but it’s very close at a 75% perf increase compared to the iPhone 5. ”

          Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5

          • john

            *Chuckles*

            You do realize 32bit BT beats A7 in a lot of those benchmarks huh? Not to mention, the greatest improvement/advantage of A7 on benchmarks were the GPU intensive tasks ones-kinda silly to pull register length here now, isn’t it?

            There is no point in quoting statistics if you can’t read them properly.

            75% increase? Sure, but does it have to do with the switch to 64bit ISA mostly? That was the point of this discussion.Also, like I said in basic ALU performance 64bit is definitely much faster than 32bit counter part, which is most of these benchmarks.

            “huge potential performance gains in certain FP and cryptographic workloads.”

            This is the heart of the 64bit improvement really. I’m not trying to say that A7 is not impressive, but trying to correct some misconceptions on benefits of 64bit ISA.

    • Balraj

      Lol..Your over reacting
      32 bit to 64bit transition is slow n who knows what oem have in store for us next year..maybe hardcore gamers will like it..maybe heavy multitasking will be available
      Nothing happens without a reason…so chill
      Apple is in its own league n so is android…
      What’s life without competition ;-)

  • 72goojman72

    I love reading the battles on here..

  • DannyBoyJr

    What does 64bit mean for us consumers who have already invested some money buying Android apps? Are our current apps going to be compatible with 64bit Android? It would really suck if I had to re-purchase all those apps. What if the app developer refuses to support 64bit Android?

    I hope that there would be real, tangible benefits to upgrading to 64bit, and not just a marketing ploy to catch up to that irrelevant froot company. If it kills backwards-compatibility, I will definitely not upgrade.

    • Mike Reid

      I’m pretty sure Google is smart enough not to shoot themselves in the foot this way.

      And this would only affect low level “NDK” requiring apps such as some games or root apps. Most apps are all Java and run on any ARM version or Intel or whatever else is supported in future.

      As for NDK requiring apps, the Android NDK currently allows one app to use different libraries for Intel and the ARM versions, so devs can support different architectures with one APK.

      • DannyBoyJr

        That sounds re-assuring. The JVM is (supposed to be) architecture independent and I hope that there would be no problem going forward. I’ll still wait and see the final outcome, but now my worst fears have been tempered. Thanks!

    • Hellz

      when windows xp64 bit first came out, MS made an emulator called WoW64 that emulated work of 32 bit windows. if MS could have done it long time ago i believe google will do it as well. will developers transfer their old apps on 64 bit architecture? im sure they will. with a major updates. i consider this to be somewhat of gplay store restart allowing some new and yet unknown apps to rise and shine because competition wont be so strong at the start

  • mrjayviper

    purely marketing move by Samsung. Don’t advertised it when it’s not gonna happen in the next month! :/

  • renz

    So will it be custom core like qualcomm krait or will they license arm core for their 64bit processor?

  • jay

    It says it’ll be used for smart phones and tablets pc.. let me read it all and see if there is anything you guys missed..

  • jay

    it wasn’t blaming android for lack of 64 bit.. it was just saying that it will be released next year, and the reason why apple was able to release 64 bit cpu is because they develop both cpus and the OS. it also talks about how samsung has developed smartcard ic? no clue what it is.. i’m thinking it’s similar to finger scan like thing that apple released? at the end, it ends with the emphasis on how they need to become a better integrater of software and hardware. they will be working on this from now on.

  • deepen03

    wait which one? you mean the one they MADE FOR APPLE that we see in the “Revolutionary” iPhone 5S? haha #GOSAMSUNG

  • Greg

    Samsung already brought 64-bit to the market. Look up who makes Apple’s chips.