What’s your take on the new iPhones? Do they change anything for Android?

September 13, 2013
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    Evan Forester

    On this edition of the Friday Debate, we discuss the main event of the week in the tech world, the launch of the new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c.  Love them or hate them, Apple has a huge influence on the mobile industry and directly or not, on Android. So, how are the new iPhones changing the game? Do they change anything at all? Did anything impress you in particular at the launch event on Tuesday? Where’s Android now that Apple showed its cards?

    Join us in the discussion, vote in our poll, and sound off in the comments!

    Gary Sims

    Apple’s announcement this week left me simultaneously thrilled and disappointed. Thrilled because the move to 64-bit computing is a huge advance and Apple are even ahead of ARM itself in terms of developing silicon that implements the ARMv8 instruction set, kudos to Apple.

    But the iPhone 5S is literally what it says on the tin, a faster version of the iPhone 5. In a market where Apple’s rival are selling millions of smartphones in a huge variety of form factors, all Apple can do is release a phone that is a little faster than last year’s model and expect it to satisfy its consumers until late 2014!

    As for the iPhone 5C it is only is a $100 or so less (depending on the country) than the iPhone 5S. But it still costs $549. The Nexus 4, which is far superior to the 5C costs just $199 at the moment. Who would buy an iPhone 5C for more than twice the money for only half the phone. OK, the Nexus 4 doesn’t have LTE but there are loads of Android phones which do and are still cheaper than the iPhone 5C (including the Galaxy Note 2, HTC One mini and Galaxy S3 to name but a few). Disappointing all round.

    Also it seems Wall Street isn’t happy either, just look at Apple’s share price. Are Apple living in a little bubble where it thinks that consumers will buys its products no matter what it releases?

    Ankit Banerjee

    The Apple announcement of the iPhone 5S, and the new, colorful, iPhone 5C, didn’t feature anything more than what we’d expected would happen anyway.

    As far as the iPhone 5S is concerned, there’s nothing more I have to say about the move to 64-bit computing, that hasn’t been debated about by everybody, everywhere, already. While not particularly useful right away, this shift is more about future-proofing the device, and Apple has to be given props for that. The fingerprint scanner/unlock feature, if accurate, should be really helpful, and save people the trouble of having to type in a pass code every time they want to unlock their device. Overall, the iPhone 5S, seemingly just a faster version of the iPhone 5, met expectations. Of course, how high those expectations actually were, is another issue.

    The iPhone 5C on the other hand, is a whole other story. The idea may have been good – a cheaper iPhone version “for the masses,” that replaces the iPhone 5. Except, the 5C isn’t cheap by any stretch of the imagination, and the company is way off base with the pricing if their target audience is in fact emerging markets around the world. Unless you don’t like the “boring” black, silver, and gold options, and are looking for something particularly colorful, I can’t seem to find any reason to recommend the iPhone 5C to anyone.

    Joseph Hindy

    The iPhone 5s and 5c are a mess of contradictions, which seems to reflect Apple as a whole right now. For every really awesome thing they do with these devices, you can find one equally terrible thing they do with these devices. So the question shouldn’t be whether or not these phones are good, but what sacrifices are people willing to make to own one.

    For instance, the iPhone 5c comes in various colors and they have a set of cases to create a two-tone color scheme. That’s really nifty. The cases look like Crocs. That really not nifty. The iPhone 5s comes in a new color (gold). However, it’s exactly the same design as last year’s model, which is bad.

    The 5c is supposed to be the cheap one and you can get it for $99 on contract -the cheapest an iPhone has ever been at launch. However, the unlocked price is still outrageous. The iPhone 5c is also $200 more expensive in China, a market they’re desperately trying to get into.

    The list goes on and on. In reality, there is only one really awesome feature that I commend Apple for having and that’s the 64-bit CPU. Yes, as others have pointed out, all phones will have this tech by next year. However, for the first time in a couple of years, Apple beat Android to the punch on this one and for that they should get sincere congratulations. Whether people want to admit it or not, every Android device that comes out from now until 64-bit architecture is achieved on ARM is going to carry the question, “will it be 64-bit?”

    It won’t last forever, but for a short time, when people ask if new Android devices will be 64-bit like the newest iPhone, the answer will be no. For the first time in a long time, Apple has something Android does not currently have. For that, they deserve a kudos. It won’t last forever, but being the only one in tech to have something rarely does.

    To close out this rambling, the iPhone 5c and 5s will give Apple a boost in the short term and may be the hottest selling iPhone to date. Unfortunately, this is Apple’s HTC One. It brings some publicity and a boost in sales in the short term, but is not a platform that Apple can use to recover the market share they’ve lost in recent years. It’s a great effort, but they’ll need to do better next year!

    Derek Scott

    The new iPhones left much to be desired. I had to do a double look at the iPhone 5S specs, I couldn’t believe my eyes. Why they didn’t make a bigger display is beyond me.

    I feel as if they had their release plan made years ago and they failed to adapt to the market conditions. They did adapt a bit by introducing the 5C but that looks like it is going to be an epic fail because of the price point.

    I predict the iPhone 5C to be a total flop and I believe the iPhone 5S sales will be dull.

    You were once miles ahead of everyone, others caught up, others then pulled ahead. By this time next year you will be so far behind the pack that it will be embarrassing.

    On the bright side at least you have the iPad and make some good computers ;)

    Brad Ward

    The iPhone 5S and 5C are complete disappointments. After the iPhone 5, I was 100% sure Apple was going to get back in the game this year. Guess that didn’t happen.

    Looking at the iPhone 5S, we get that same 4-inch screen that leaves so much more to be desired. After all, 5-inch displays are quickly becoming the standard, a standard that Apple failed to adapt to. Again.

    The fingerprint scanner? That was cool, but it’s not like it’s exclusive to Apple products only. In just a few short months, we’ll see them on a couple of high-end Android devices.

    As for the iPhone 5C, I wanted to facepalm. It looks like a total copy off of Xiaomi’s phones. When Xiaomi makes it the U.S., I’m not going to be surprised when Apple fires up a lawsuit, claiming the Xiaomi’s devices look similar to the iPhone 5C. Give me break, Apple.

    I’m not looking forward to what the next iPad will bring to the table. At least they make good computers, though. That’s gotta count for something, eh? Maybe not.

    Adam Koueider

    The iPhone 5C is a mockery of all that Apple has stood for in the past so I’m not even going to try and debate about it because I think we can all agree that it’s not worth anybody’s time.

    The iPhone 5S on the other hand, is a much more int… er… well, it’s more of a phone. Apple didn’t change up the design, but that’s okay since the iPhone 5 was already a well designed and well built device.

    The processor on the new iPhone will be on par with the Snapdragon 600 and again, iOS ran perfectly smooth on the iPhone 5 anyways so that isn’t a huge improvement.

    The two big features Apple will be selling the iPhone on are 64-bit and fingerprint scanning. Personally, I’ve never required a 256-bit encrypted smartphone to protect my Angry Birds cloud saves and I don’t really care about the fingerprint scanner either. Sure it’s different, and perhaps if it works as well as Apple says it is it might be worth it, but for me it just isn’t something I require (I don’t even use a passcode).

    Next up on the features list is the 64-bit OS. Apple used the words “It took the PC industry years to move to 64-bit, but we are going to do it in one day.” No you’re not Apple. Very few developers will make use of the 64-bit OS and the truth is iOS isn’t an OS which requires 64-bit anyways.

    However, if we are looking at the bigger picture we realize that this is the first step in Apple’s move away from intel with its Mac lineup. But if we take a look at the phone itself, well then 64-bit is just a marketing dot point which allows Apple to claim it has done something revolutionary, which it has, it’s just not THAT revolutionary yet.

    Battery life is on par with the iPhone 5 and the screen is still at 4-inches large, which I’m fine with, but if you’re going to stick with a small display at least offer the iPhone 5C as your larger display option. People want larger displays, and Apple is missing a large market here.

    All in all, the iPhone 5S is a great smartphone. Is it groundbreaking? No, but it’ll appease the iPhone users until next year, when Apple unveils the 4.5-inch iPhone 6, and they start crowing about how Apple’s done it again.

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    • mobilemann

      I liked Gary and Ankit’s breakdowns. The others seem to be offended by some of the advances, which typical for this site, but sad regardless.

      Personally, i won’t go iOS again until they (like some here have said) give me more screen size options, that being said, comparing it to the N4 gary? Just is sadness. You’re bad @ tech.

      • lil bit

        I dont see a problem that he wanted to make a point to show how much you can save. For me the N4 was never a good device, as price does not matter, but i have no problem with people who disagree with me on that.

        You can disagree all you like but it doesnt make you a superior techie.

        • mobilemann

          i’m a superior techie, because i actually use all the gear we talk about, then form an opinion. I’m invested in both ecosystems, and use them regularly.

          my main phone is a running 4.3; my ipad iOS 7 GM. I’ve used keychain wallet. I’ve converted my vpn server to openvpn from L2TP just for android. for fun, siri proxy, sick beard, sab, couchpotato and a few others.

          the people i respond to, update facebook on their phones or flash cm and think they are tech’s.

          enough jerking off.

          • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

            Mobilemann, I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not. You don’t think I (or the other writers here at AA) actual use the gear we talk about?

            I too have an iPad and I am a member of Apple’s developer program, I too have access to iOS 7 directly from Apple. I have apps that I have written in Google Play and Apple’s App Store. I use both eco-systems, but I prefer Android.

            As for proxy servers, vpn servers and your technical prowess, I don’t know how old you are but I was compiling and analyzing the Linux kernel before it reach 1.0. I have setup more vpn servers, firewall and proxy servers than I care to remember. I have also written a book on the Network Attached Storage system FreeNAS (you can look it up on Amazon). I worked as a software engineer for over 10 years including on embedded systems (I was the lead programmer on a digital TV scrambling system). The fact that you know words like L2TP and can setup a proxy server frankly doesn’t impress me… You are probably too young to get this reference but really that makes you a bit of a Quiche eater (look up ‘Real Programmers Don’t Use Pascal’ if you don’t get the joke).

            • mobilemann

              a siri proxy server isn’t a proxy server. (although i’m sure your behind 7 proxies, hardcore guy!)

              And no, I don’t think many of you are invested into alternative to android ecosystems; it’s honestly obvious in the writing. I’m glad you prefer android, it’s whatever floats your boat; i’m not here to change that, and i’m going to continue using android as my primary OS for phones as well. Thankfully i’ve setup my services on my server to be platform agnostic so it works out for me, as i’m sure it does you. The dismissal and lack of reporting on the cooler features that android should adopt from iOS (the os learning app usage patterns for smart background app updates, keychain wallet, apple’s continued fine tuned control of notifications) while also talking about where it’s ahead (interactive notifications, profiles etc) is disappointing, while expected.

              I’m glad you wrote a book on network attached storage; but that’s nothing really to do with mobile tech. I’m sure you can agree, that technology is such a big subject, it’s easy to be a pro in one end, and a novice in another. I’ve worked as a software engineer as well, and an IT specialist; I used to write launchers for jailbroken iOS, and plugins for siri proxy. The fact that you’re in your 40s and i’m in my 30s doesn’t impress me:D As for being a Quiche eater, i suggest you look up the term again. It’s quite popular on this website to be flashy and ignorant.

      • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

        I don’t think comparing an N4 to an iPhone 5C is a mistake especially since my principle point was to note that there are other phones available for much less money. But let’s do the comparison.

        *Which has the better display, the N4 – it is bigger and has a higher resolution.

        *Which has the faster processor, the N4 – quad-core 1.7GHz Krait vs dual-core Swift. If the 5C is the same as the 5 then it will be 1.3GHz.

        *As for the cameras well they are both 8MP, both can record full HD video at 30 fps. Since the iPhone 5C actually isn’t out yet we can’t tell how good its camera will be, but camera shootouts between the N4 and iPhone 5 are pretty close with the Apple device only just having the edge. Also both phones have a front facing camera.

        *Yes the 5C has LTE, and I mentioned that in my original comments, but LTE isn’t that popular yet – even in countries like the UK it is really only just being rolled out. I am happy with my 3G speeds, I don’t need to download my emails any faster than like 7MBit/s or whatever the top 3G+ speed is. However the N4 has NFC, the iPhone doesn’t.

        *In terms of battery, the independent consumer magazine Which rated the iPhone 5 one of the worst of the modern smart phones for battery life. The N4 beat it in every test except for charging time. We will see how good the iPhone 5C is. See http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/phones-3/best-phone-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-note-2-s4/

        Oh, one other thing, the N4 has a standard microUSB connector meaning I can plug it in and access the internal storage and charge it at a friends house etc even if I left my cables at home, you can’t say that for the iPhone. Also the N4 has wireless charging.

        As for being bad at tech, I knew that all those years studying information systems at University were a waste! And they told me a Bachelor of Science degree had value! What did they know. :-) Seriously, please read this non-Android related technical article by me and tell me what you think: http://www.openlogic.com/wazi/bid/313375/How-to-use-ActiveMQ-with-a-language-other-than-Java

        • mobilemann

          so basically, you have no idea how the 5c will perform. I would love to see your battery test links (hopefully to a respected site like anand)

          Keep in mind gary, that I specifically singled you and one other out who i’ve read before on AA that i thought were pretty fair. It’s true though, the n4 kills on price.

          • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

            Thank you singling me out, I try to be fair. I think the list of reasons I gave above about the qualities of the N4 is based on facts and not just opinion. Better screen, better processor, support for NFC, but yes lacking LTE. And as you say the N4 beats the iPhone 5C on price

          • Adam Koueider

            Dude I like the iPhone 5S. Here’s what I said: “since the iPhone 5 was already a well designed and well built device.”

            In regards to 64-bit: “However, if we are looking at the bigger picture we realize that this is the first step in Apple’s move away from intel with its Mac lineup.”

            The iPhone 5S maintains Apple’s dominance of the small smartphone market, and improves upon the iPhone 5. I do, however, have issues with the iPhone 5C due to the issues I’ve already talked about in the comments.

            I like Apple’s stuff, I like Google’s stuff, I liked Nokia’s stuff (you know until they were bought by Microsoft). I don’t like to play into all the fanboy-ism, however, on second look I was pretty harsh. That’s what I get for blogging at 4AM in the morning after a week with over 20 hours of tests ;)

            • mobilemann

              Fair enough.

        • mobilemann

          also: The fact that stuff like keychain wallet wasn’t even mentioned by anyone in this article besides me, is a complete and utter failure on your part. (in regards to the thumb print scanner)

          • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

            I don’t remember mentioning the fingerprint scanner at all in my comments. Either in a positive or negative way.

            • mobilemann

              Which is the problem. How can you compare, when you don’t know?

        • Elliot Kotis

          The 5 was only a dual core ;) So yes, on the ball! :D

    • blairh

      “The Nexus 4, which is far superior to the 5C costs just $199 at the moment.”

      Well that’s worth a great laugh. For starters, the 8 GB is sold out online and isn’t coming back. And if the iPhone 5 is a fair reference for the 5C, then the 5C gets the huge edge for battery life, LTE, and camera alone. I don’t think comparing a Nexus 4 to an iPhone 5C makes any sense. The Nexus 4 is still a great value in the 16 GB variant, but it’s not exactly two phones that are equal.

      To the other person above saying that Apple didn’t change the 5S design. This was a given. You should know this. Apple changes the design every 2 years and spec bumps the iPhone in-between. No failure anywhere.

      The only thing Apple has screw up so far is not bringing a larger model to the market until 2014. Otherwise they are going to sell a ridiculous amount of iPhone 5C/5S in the next 12 months.

      • mobilemann

        I guess they don’t want to be taken seriously as a tech site; they just want to be a fanboy blog.

        • lil bit

          The point of these friday discussions is for the writers to give their personal opinion, i dont know why you have such a big problem with that (ref your other post here). Opinions differ, that should be a well known fact for most.

          Sorry their opinions do not please you (of course im not sorry)

        • APai

          opinions

          • Adam Koueider

            They’re like… ah never mind, you’ve all heard it before.

            • APai

              hehe :)

            • mobilemann

              i hope they reply to my comments below, they both honestly miss out on tons of stuff.

              And to your original comment (about going to a mac fansite) My main phone is a gs3 (i747) rocking cm10.2 until i get a Note 3. I love android; i just don’t like editors who are fanboy children; which is a problem here. (where micro usb charging > LTE when talking about apple)

              seriously, it’s pathetic.

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              I assume the “where micro usb charging > LTE when talking about apple” is directed at me. I didn’t say that micro usb charging > LTE, I just mentioned that the N4 has microusb charing and I (twice) acknowledged that the N4 doesn’t have LTE, but I said that *personally* that isn’t a problem. Even if I was an Apple fan it wouldn’t make my purchasing desision based on LTE support.

              If you can find the sentence where I say that micro usb charging > LTE then please highlight it to me.

              Gary

            • APai

              :) I assumed you were another random apple fan, whom im tired off. frankly, the platform wars are over, and yet there are stray elements trying to prove why they are the best, and then i kind of counter troll

            • mobilemann

              if only your dislike didn’t effect your normal writing, this wouldn’t be a fanboy blog, and would just be a tech blog. It would kill tons of trolling.

            • Leonardo Rojas

              I don’t think you guys do fanboyblogging-ism O.o Haha n.n

        • Elliot Kotis

          I cant even be bothered to explain why you are wrong.

      • Adam Koueider

        I think the iPhone 5C is a great mid-range smartphone, however, its pricing is pathetic.

        There are two real reasons for the iPhone 5C:
        - It makes the iPhone 5S look better, with its aluminum design.
        - It gives Apple a bigger % profit from the price drop of the iphone 5 which is now the iPhone 5C (A plastic construction is always going to be cheaper than a metal design)

        • blairh

          You seem all over the place here. Again, the 5C should not be compared to the Nexus 4 for the reasons I listed earlier. Apple always offers an iPhone between their flagship and free on contract offering. In the past the iPhone 5 would have been the logical phone to slot here given their previous pattern. Apple did not want to produce any more slate iPhones. Anodizing was a huge issue with that model. So instead they made an iPhone 5 with a slightly bigger battery, a better front camera, and a plastic casing. It also gives them a chance to market a ‘new’ phone. Business-wise it’s a brilliant move on their part. Consumer wise I wish they would have sacked the 4S entirely and offered a 5C 8 GB model for $450 off contract.

          Like I said before, the Nexus 4 comparison is just way off and the 5C is going to do very well for Apple.

          • Adam Koueider

            I’m not arguing whether Apple is going to sell millions of iPhones, they are. Are you talking about the Slate Black iPhone 5? Because if you are then it would’ve been easy for Apple to just get rid of it and offer it in white or offer a different color. It’s laughable if you can claim that 64mAh will make any major difference in the battery life and it’s laughable if you can claim that anodizing was the reason the iPhone 5 was the real reason that the iPhone 5 got dropped. It got dropped to give Apple bigger profit margins and make the iPhone 5S look better. Plus the iPhone 5C has the exact same camera as the iPhone 5., so don’t know what you’re talking about there.

            Comparisons to the Nexus 4 are okay since the only plus you can give to the iPhone 5C are LTE and a better camera. LTE doesn’t matter for a lot of people, and is a better camera really worth $300. If the new Nexus 4/5/cheese stick comes out at $350 with a better camera (it’s rumored as being the same as the G2′s) and LTE, is the iPhone 5C still as good as it seems. Just because a device sells, doesn’t mean it’s any good. While the iPhone 5C is a decent device, the pricing is ridiculous.

            • blairh

              Wait wait wait. Why do you find it laughable that the slate model was discontinued due to issue with anodizing? Are you serious right now? That’s exactly why Apple ditched it. It’s a very known issue. Please do not tell me otherwise. It’s laughable that you would say that it didn’t play a role in Apple ditching the 5. You think it’s a coincidence that Apple isn’t offering a slate iPhone 5S? Let’s also highlight the fact, which I did previously, that slapping a colored plastic back and filling it with mostly iPhone 5 components makes it seem like an entirely new phone. I’m not crazy about this move but that’s what happening here. I said a better ‘front camera’ because it does have that compared to the 5. You should read my counters with more attention.

              LTE does matter to a lot of people!!!! Can you guys please drop this argument forever? This is so absurd. Is a better camera worth $300? Two things. One, I think the camera is a very important element of a phone. Second, I’m not sure why it’s fair to keep referring to the off-contract price of the 5C. Keep in mind most consumers purchase phones on contract. So a 16 GB 5C is $100 on-contract. The N4 is a hard sell if you are comparing it to an on-contract 5C. If we are talking off-contract pricing, then yeah I’d say it’s a lot closer but again I do think a superior camera and LTE will matter for most consumers.

              I would save the Nexus 5 talk until it hits the market. Again, I really don’t understand your issue with the 5C pricing. It’s the mid-tier iPhone. The mid-tier iPhone has existed for years now. You obviously think the N4 is a better choice. That’s fine. But I don’t think most consumers will see it like you do. Furthermore most consumers purchase phones at carriers stores. You’ll find the N4 at one carrier store in America and even then it’s ridiculously overpriced if you purchase it in-store.

              Just so we are clear, I think the N4 is a solid choice at $250 (before tax). But it’s an inferior phone to the 5C in many regards and the price reflects that. And I’m still curious why you decided to quote the price of the N4 as $199 when it’s already sold out at that price for good at the time this article was published.

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              Blairh, It is your opinion that LTE is important but you fail to grasp the fact that in many countries (even in Europe) LTE hasn’t been fully deployed yet and that the subscription charges for such networks are high. We are talking about a global viewpoint here.

              As for mentioning the off-contract price that is entirely valid. Consumers who buy a $99 phone on contract generally pay a lot more over a two year period than those who pay upfront and opt for a smaller monthly payment. It might be $99 at the start but have you calculated what it cost in the long term. Also the initial process are very different in each country. In the UK the 5C will be available for £9.99 on a two year plan at £46.00 a month. In Romania the iPhone 5 (just the plain 5, no news of the 5C there yet) is 248,99 Euros with a 51 Euro monthly payment. So comparing the USA, the UK and Romania give very different results.

              The only valid way to compare phone costs is to look at the off-contract price.

            • blairh

              Please tell me how you could possible make this statement “The Nexus 4, which is far superior to the 5C”.

              Why exactly are you bringing up other countries now? You never mentioned this in your original piece? Did I ever say that the 5C is a no brainer against the competition worldwide? I’m an American, I’m really speaking about the American market. I’m not discounting other countries but it’s really not my focus and has absolutely nothing to do with anything that I’ve stated prior in my messages. And please don’t dismiss LTE. While it might not be important right now to several countries it is important to many others and will be important moving forward in the short term. The N4 is a completely different device than the 5C and is priced accordingly.

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              I am not an American and Android Authority is read by people all over the world. Why, why, why would you assume that the US is the only context of this discussion.

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              With regards to your statement: “The N4 is a completely different device than the 5C and is priced accordingly.”

              This shows how you have swallowed Apple’s marketing 100%. Did you know that Apple make 33% profit on every iPhone sold? Apple’s pricing has little to do with specs or features but about how much money Apple can squeeze out of its customers.

              I also note that *none* of you who have disagreed with my N4/5C comparison have said anything about the processors or the screen resolutions.

            • Adam Koueider

              From what I’ve read the front camera is the same as the old model (link please). You’re right about the whole contract thing, but my personal preference is to buy my phones off contract (and remember this is an opinion based article so I’m giving my opinion)

              LTE doesn’t matter for a lot of Europe, India and China just to name a few. It also won’t matter to me for at least the next 6 months (no coverage in my area). That’s why the Nexus 4 is my choice although I must admit the camera is subpar, but I’ve got a DSLR for that.

              Personally I prefer the Nexus 4 (and I’ll be purchasing the Nexus 5 when it becomes available), you obviously prefer the iPhone 5C, which is okay since this is what these articles are about. Expressing our opinions and your opinions. It also doesn’t help when for me contracts are a massive no-no and the iPhone 5C is priced at $760 in my country. I couldn’t sell that to anybody when the clearly superior iPhone 5S is a $100 more.

              Edit: Oh and I wasn’t the one who quoted the Nexus 4 pricing, in fact I didn’t even mention the Nexus 4 in my contribution.

            • blairh

              I believe I was wrong about the front camera on the 5C. That means the 5C is almost identical to the 5 except it’s heavier and plastic.

              Most consumers buy phones off-contract. Most consumers care about LTE. Again, most. I never said it matters to everyone or to any country. But saying LTE isn’t a big deal to many is a really vague and untrue comment.

              Most consumers are using their smartphones as their one and only camera.

              I don’t prefer the 5C. My phone is an S4 Active. But saying that an N4 is such a better choice is just ridiculous. It’s apples and oranges. Your original opinion piece makes it out like it’s an obvious choice. Basically you are basing your opinion on personal things. (Don’t need LTE, like to purchase off contract, camera isn’t a big deal.) So why make a statement that the N4 is a better choice and then show us that essentially this is just a very personal preference for your needs. That’s nonsense.

              It was Gary that brought up the 8 GB N4.

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              With regards to “a very personal preference” did you not read the title of this article, it is called the Friday Debate. There are contributions from several writers, each expression their point of view, of course it is my personal preference, what else could it be?

            • blairh

              Your personal preference appears to be Android. So there appears to be a great bias against iPhone’s to begin with. This becomes even more apparent as you fret to find reasons why someone should pass on the iPhone. Also, yours and all your contributors from the start are speaking in general terms with respect to the market. Then as I push you and others it becomes a personal preference thing. So it appears you guys are really just speaking on what (you) prefer for your own needs but instead play it off like it has any sort of validation within the general consumer crowd.

              You brought up the 8 GB N4 when it’s sold out online and not coming back. By the time this article published that was a fact. Felt like something you needed to bring up to validate how much cheaper the N4 is at $199 yet it’s not available at that price.

              As someone who reads Android and Apple sites (I’m a Mac, former iPhone, and current S4 user) it’s utterly pathetic how biased so many of your are. This goes for both camps (Android and Apple fans). The reality lies in-between and it’s difficult to stomach so much nonsense posted on these focused sites. I’m better off just not leaving comments in the future on this site because so much BS is aimed at Apple when you guys have the chance.

              I won’t be responding any longer because this back and forth has gone on far too long enough. Let me just say this before I leave you. The N4 and 5C are completely different devices and the price reflects that. Even their availability is very different (purchase on Google’s site or pay way too much at T-Mobile vs. finding the 5C online or at countless retailers). I’m not giving Apple a full pass here. The 5C should be available for free in an 8 GB variant. But someone passing on the 5C for the N4 will save money, gain a larger screen, and inherit no LTE, poor battery life, and a shit camera. This is a fact.

              And with that, I’m done here. I like AA a great deal as site, this article just sounds like pure Android fanboyism on so many fronts. Apple still makes the best overall camera and their apps are superior in performance in general. They just need a larger screen offering which will come next year.

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              “which will come next year” is the mantra of Apple fanboys who fanatically wait for Apple to catch up with the rest of the world.

            • Leonardo Rojas

              I do buy on contract smartphones, even two at a time. It’s the way to go for me unless you already have a very good service/data plan you don’t want to drop.

              Off contract smartphones are expensive, whichever it is. But may be worthy.

              I don’t care for LTE, 3.5G is fine, plus, carriers charge more for the LTE “services” plan, at least here in Peru they will once LTE is deployed (in a year :/).

              Performance wise I’d say the Nexus 4 is a better choice than the iPhone 5C.

              If you want a better camera, then (anyone would) pick some flagship, which for the 5C’s price, it’d be easy to get.

              I think the 5C is over priced, it’s very expensive, and a buyer’s bad decision having the 5S (and other flagships) there for just a bit more bucks. A pity if his religion is Apple, though.

              Anyway, I’d never buy an iPhone, I like their looks, but that’s it. I like Android much better n.n

      • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

        I don’t think comparing an N4 to an iPhone 5C is a mistake especially since my principle point was to note that there are other phones available for much less money. But let’s do the comparison.

        *Which has the better display, the N4 – it is bigger and has a higher resolution.

        *Which has the faster processor, the N4 – quad-core 1.7GHz Krait vs dual-core Swift. If the 5C is the same as the 5 then it will be 1.3GHz.

        *As for the cameras well they are both 8MP, both can record full HD video at 30 fps. Since the iPhone 5C actually isn’t out yet we can’t tell how good its camera will be, but camera shootouts between the N4 and iPhone 5 are pretty close with the Apple device only just having the edge. Also both phones have a front facing camera.

        *Yes the 5C has LTE, and I mentioned that in my original comments, but LTE isn’t that popular yet – even in countries like the UK it is really only just being rolled out. I am happy with my 3G speeds, I don’t need to download my emails any faster than like 7MBit/s or whatever the top 3G+ speed is. However the N4 has NFC, the iPhone doesn’t.

        *In terms of battery, the independent consumer magazine Which rated the iPhone 5 one of the worst of the modern smart phones for battery life. The N4 beat it in every test except for charging time. We will see how good the iPhone 5C is. See http://blogs.which.co.uk/technology/phones-3/best-phone-battery-life-samsung-galaxy-note-2-s4/

        Oh, one other thing, the N4 has a standard microUSB connector meaning I can plug it in and access the internal storage and charge it at a friends house etc even if I left my cables at home, you can’t say that for the iPhone. Also the N4 has wireless charging.

        • mobilemann

          wireless charging? Well isn’t it lucky that the apple hardware peripheral ecosystem is 4,000% healthier than androids? I take back what i said, you’re back to skewing stuff to look in ones favor.

          Is it so hard to be somewhat fair?

          You downplay LTE and up play the lightning connector (which also allows for faster charging than USB micro)

          you’re a hack.

          • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

            Me again… I see that when you can’t create logical argument then you just resort to name calling, now I am a hack.

            Like the “micro usb charging > LTE” comment you made, just because I mentioned wireless charging that doesn’t mean it is the only reason for thinking the N4 is better than the iPhone 5C. Why comment about the eco-system as a retort to the wireless charging comment? I don’t understand, who is being unfair now. A fair comment would be something like “wireless charging is an interesting technology but I don’t think it has enough benefits” or something like that!

            You seem to have one rule for yourself and one for me.

        • blairh

          The camera comparison is absurd. The iPhone 5 is a far superior camera to the Nexus 4. I cannot believe you are implying otherwise. I think it’s a safe bet that the 5C camera will be at least equal to the iPhone 5 camera. The 5C is using essentially identical components to the 5.

          LTE isn’t popular yet? Are you kidding me right now? I can’t believe you are making this argument in September 2013. It’s a con for most consumers.

          The N4 battery is worse the than the iPhone 5′s. I know this for a fact. I’ve used both.

          A MicroUSB argument? Seriously? This can be made for anything when we are talking Android vs. iPhone. Your counters are ridiculous.

          Do not bother comparing the N4 to the 5C. They are totally different and the price reflects that. Your points are absurd.

      • Elliot Kotis

        You idiot. They 5C battery will only be around 1500mAh, the Nexus is over 2100mAh, nice edge there. STFU and GTFO.

        • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

          But of course the N4 is powering a much bigger screen so raw mAh comparisons of the battery sizes doesn’t work… but you knew that.

        • blairh

          You’re an imbecile if you believe this.

    • kevin

      I personally like the new iphone 5s and want one. I’ve never had an apple device and am curious to see how my experience differs from that on my s3 and S4. The new camera slow motion feature really captured my interest since I like to record my friends skating. The 5c is too expensive though for a “low budget” phone. If apple really wanted to enter budget market and not skimp on quality, they should have went the Nexus route. They dropped the ball on that one.

      • mobilemann

        thanks for renewing my faith that normal people post here. Spot on.

      • Gary

        The 5c was never meant to be a low budget phone. Rather it’s the wrong expectation of many. 5s and 5c is simply like 4s and 4.

        • kevin

          The sentiment given by many investers suggest otherwise.

    • End in sight

      The thing no one is talking about is how many iOS users also use gmail/google services. I think that number is quite high. I am happy that my Apple friends can take advantage of these services from Google and I wonder if they are ever curious to see what it is like to use google services on an Android phone.

    • gommer strike

      Iphone5S is…alright I guess. They came out with *some* new features, just barely enough to satisfy the fans.

      Iphone5C – they screwed up. Who the hell in China can afford a $700+ phone(yes, it’s priced for $700+ in China, a place where that amount of money is a good 2 – 3 months income for the everyday Chinese person).

      First Motorola with their strange Moto X pricing, and now Apple with their 5C? Who’s next?!

      • lil bit

        Well said, all of it.. And about the last part, yeah whats going on in USA these days, getting less for more money is the new trend?

      • The Calm Critic

        “(yes, it’s priced for $700+ in China, a place where that amount of money is a good 2 – 3 months income for the everyday Chinese person).”

        Nope even more damning is that for half that amount, they’d rather pay for some of their top 5 brands which is either Xiaomi, Oppo, Meizu, Huawei or ZTE and pick one that’ll easily out-spec the 5C. It’s not even funny.

      • Ivan Budiutama

        most will still buy it. Apple Fans see Apple like religion, even more (that is the scariest part). See that some people already get in the line to buy 5c/5s as we speak (well, they might as well get paid for the marketing buzz). just so, with USD exchange rate like we have today, 5c will not sell as they expect it, well, in country where people has more sense than money though.

    • Dwaipayan Adhya

      More fodder for the knuckle-headed apple fanboys, looking for a gateway to be ‘exclusive’. I genuinely thought, the apple 5C was a step in the right direction, but apart from its glossy, kinky back covers, its nothing more than an overpriced iphone 4! Apple has done it again, showing the way on how to be the most popular without having to be the best (and not even trying). Kudos!

    • TechGuy

      I was really shocked by the new models. I don’t know why they bothered. The 5C is not cheap enough and the 5S needed a bigger screen. The fingerprint reader is little more than a novelty that has appeared in many guises over the years. My 2003 Ipaq pocket pc has one. Hopefully the iPhone 6 will see Apple return to truly innovative form. Unfortunately, they seem to have lost the plot at the moment. Maybe it was really all to do with Steve Jobs.

    • lil bit

      Adam, about fingerprint scanner you said
      “but for me it just isn’t something I require (I don’t even use a passcode).”

      Thats part of the point, half of the iPhone users do not use any security, they just press the home button and is already in. With the fingerprint scanner however they dont even have to press the button, just touch it and be authenticated. Its adds security and still making things easier, thats a double win in my book.

      I think the fingerprint scanner is so great, and i know many others would also if it was an Android device. Since it has socalled sub-epidermal skin layer scanning it is also far ahead of the Atrix in security, maybe this is as safe as the vein structure finger scanners used in most ATM machines in Japan. This is something i like to see on Android devices, just not in combination with a Home button, never want one of those again, onscreen forever for me, not sure i want it on the back as well.

      • Adam Koueider

        It’s a great feature if it works as advertised. But I don’t really need. That is my point. If I don’t use a passcode then I don’t need security on my phone so for me personally, I don’t care for the feature although I can see why others (like you) would like it.

        • lil bit

          Yes, it will be useful and make things easier for a lot of people, then it must be a good feature. I use security on my phones but not sure i would use this, if for example i was heavy sleeper after a happy party my finger would still be there, my phone would be there too, not good. I have experienced jealous girlfriends several times before, for example using my phone to send unpleasant texts to other girls i know.

          • mobilemann

            why no mention of keychain wallet? It looks really cool.

            • Adam Koueider

              What’s keychain wallet? I’m pretty sure it’s not an Apple feature otherwise I would’ve heard of it. If it’s a Kickstarter project or something like that then please note that Apple is NOT opening up the fingerprint scanner to outside apps, so a 3rd party developer can’t use it. If you could provide a lin it would be great, I always like to read about new tech,

            • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

              He maybe referring to iCloud Keychain but that has been removed from iOS 7 GM: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/11/icloud-keychain-removed-in-ios-7-gm/

            • mobilemann

              it’s like keychain for mac. A centralized space for saved web passwords, cc information, web forms, that can be built into the fingerprint reader. These are in sync with OS X and ipad, but sadly no way for android. (not being sarcastic, the biggest negative of apple to me is their services end at their products, save windows.)

            • Adam Koueider

              The thing is Apple’s clearly stated that the only place the fingerprints will be stored is on your device and inside the A7 chip. Therefore, you can’t cloud save your fingerprint. Right now the only use if the fingerprint sensor is to pay for apps and music, and to unlock your phone.

              It would be great if you could pay for stuff at the shops and the like, but right now that’s impossible otherwise Apple would’ve toted it as a massive feature.

        • mobilemann

          Maybe Adam, if you knew about keychain wallet (you know, if you were into tech in general) You would know how it all ties in, with your passwords to things like banking, and phone company apps, buying movies, logging into websites, etc. and how flexibility is key with it.

          I don’t get how people can be fans of only one side of technology. Seriously, you’re missing out.

          Also, the funny thing about the children on this site; is they think i’m on all apple gear. I rock a N7 2013 at home, my ipad mini, and a gs3, running cm10.2.

          I love android, i just also like some of what apple has to offer. That makes this site sometimes a painful experience when dealing with people who only know ONE side of the story, but comment on both. like you.

          hence, you are bad at tech. You really are. I play with siri proxy, open vpn servers, plex, sick beard and couchpotato (running off sab) and you update your facebook buddy.

          • Adam Koueider

            Dude, you’re talking to me about being a one sided fan of technology.

            I own 3 Apple iOS devices, and iPad Mini, iPod Touch (which recently died :( and an iPad 3rd gen. I like iOS, but on a phone it just doesn’t appeal to me. I also prefer the Nexus 7 (2013) over the iPad Mini which i dislike a lot.

            I’m still of the opinion that the iPad is still the best 10-inch tablet, and only the next Nexus 10 can change that opinion, but then it’ll have to beat the next-gen iPad, which’ll be difficult.

            I don’t believe in being a fanboy of one particular manufacturer and one particular OS (I’m saving up to experience Windows Phone next on the Lumia 1020). I believe in analyzing all of my options and deciding what’s best for me.

            If somebody asked me what was the best small smartphone, then I’d tell them to buy an iPhone 5S. When somebody asks me for the best overall laptop I tell them to buy the Macbook Air and when somebody asks me for the best bang for your buck smartphone I tell them to buy the Nexus 4.

            So to claim that I’m a one-sided fanboy is laughable at the very least dude. Sorry dude, can’t talk, I’ve got to go update my facebook status /sarcasm

            • mobilemann

              iOS doesn’t appeal to me on a phone either honestly. I’m glad to hear that you don’t believe in fanboyism, your dismissal of many things, and a few articles has led me to believe otherwise. I Also rock an ipad mini. If someone asked me which smartphone to buy, i would probably say the 5s in general, unless they had issues with the screen size, or if they were just into geeking out on a phone.

              I would go and get a few quotes from another few articles, (where you kinda dismiss apple; when honestly, some of the neat shit they do will directly impact our phones on android) but I’ve lost the interest; i’m sure you know what i’m talking about.

            • Adam Koueider

              I’ve only ever talked about Apple in 4 articles.
              1.When I did an iOS 7 vs Android 4.2 Jelly Bean comparison, which all of my friends said was fair and not bias.
              2. Another where I asked Android manufacturers to make an iPod Touch competitor,
              3. One regular news topic on Apple resuming its relationship with Samsung in providing LCD displays,
              4. the final one which was just before WWDC and the iOS 7 launch where I listed a few places where Android had iOS beat.

    • Alex James Simon

      Why are you guys talking up the 64-bit processor it doesn’t improve anything unless the device has atleast 4GB of Ram, the 5S has 1GB of Ram, and I don’t get the future proofing part as you can’t add more Ram to the 5S at a later time without putting out an entirely new device. Apple is playing a numbers game just like more megapixels doesn’t automatically make a camera better, 64-bit doesn’t automatically make it better then 32-bit.

      • hettar

        That’s not entirely true. A 64bit processor does being more and larger registers which can have significant performance improvements for some code, like crypto for example. However most apps won’t see any improvement from it. The dalvik VM on android could probably benefit from it though since it is a register based VM.

        • Alex James Simon

          Ok, but the point being Apples advertising it like it will magically make the device faster, and they were advertising that will improve gaming substantially, when in reality those graphics that were shown for infinity blade 3 were probably mostly due to opengl 3.0.

          • Adam Koueider

            The gaming advantages are from open GL 3.0 and I’m reaping those already on my Nexus 4 running Android 4.3. Asphalt 8 and Riptide GP2 look incredible.

          • hettar

            I agree, there is nothing innovative about the move to 64 bit processors. Everyone knew it would happen eventually since it is a natural progression in computing tech.

        • Adam Koueider

          On an OS level you’ll see improvements as well as on the Apple apps, but most apps will not update to take advantage of it since the devs still need to work on developing for all of the other 32-bit devices.

          • APai

            but I doubt if it will be 2x as 64bit is hyped to be. it’s anything but as linear as that. even on the desktop the performance was modest at best, the real improvements will come once everyone is on board down the line. so this is really a dibs for 64bit. apple’s been reduced to this from supposed “innovators”

      • Adam Koueider

        It doesn’t make it better, however, the version of ARM processors it is using ARMv8 offers other advantages. Straight from ARM’s site:

        “The ARMv8 architecture maintains compatibility with the comprehensive software ecosystem for 32-bit components enabling a wealth of software optimized for existing ARM processors to benefit from the enhanced performance of processors based on the ARMv8 architecture, while the addition of 32-bit cryptographic instructions enable further optimization for emerging requirements.”

        Faster crypto means faster access to data. So while the advantages aren’t from it actually being 64-bit, the system it’s based on offers other advantages.

        • Alex James Simon

          Ok, I’m a pretty tech savvy guy and I’m confused by all this, so there are improvements, but the average consumer wouldn’t have a clue if you told them about this, its still a numbers game played by Apple even if there are some improvements.

          • Adam Koueider

            Exactly. It’s more of a move for future Macbooks, but for now it’s a “HEY look here! we are still and innovative company! We built the first ARM 64-bit processor!”

            It is innovative and they are the first company to do it, there just won’t be that many advantages at first, so it’s mostly a marketing sales point.

            • mobilemann

              ALU speeds and math aside, there are also a ton more registers.

        • Xennex1170

          Hmm.. I suppose if it enables quicker cryptographic processing that may help push iCloud as a viable and SECURE storage option as well as increase compression/decompression of data.

          • APai

            kinda amounts to nothing as long as NSA has diluted their efforts with a backdoor, when the crooks find out the same backdoor, it’s party time for the crooks. not as easy as it’s for a regular script kiddie. but this whole security industry has been compromised by the NSA

      • Fantastico

        My understanding is that the 4GB RAM requirement is not really true for ARM designs. Rather, this is an anomaly unique to Intel’s X86-64 instruction set. The ARM ISA, and Apple’s custom architecture based on this, are clean-sheet designs with no historical baggage to carry over, so the relatively high RAM requirement for X86-64 systems is not relevant in this case.

        Having said that, most people will continue to believe that 4GB is the magic number for 64-bit systems!

        • Alex James Simon

          OK, but why not add more ram, why not try and beat android to 4GB of ram or just try and compete with 3GB like the Note 3, IO7 has true multitasking now and 1GB won’t cut it if they want to keep the device from lagging at times, my original Nexus 7 had 1GB it would lag at times when multiple apps and games were running. With my Nexus 7 (2013) I haven’t experienced any lag at all since I got my device at the end of july, which has 2GB of Ram.

          • Fantastico

            Because the decision to add RAM is about more than beating the competition. It’s about the stuff under the hood that users can’t see. Apple’s roots are in designing computers, and iOS devices are effectively shrunken Macs, with which they share a lot of code. As Apple increases iOS’s functionality, they can increase the hardware needed. iOS allows applications to run natively and make reasonably good use of the available resources through the Core Foundation APIs. Android is RAM-intensive by design. On modern PCs, with powerful CPUs and lots of RAM, virtual machines tend to run without noticeable glitches. Hardware limitations in mobile devices can’t deal perfectly with these software challenges, and lead to Android’s infamous and much maligned “lag” issues. I think Google knows this, too, hence their focus on Chrome OS in the desktop and notebook segment, rather than a port of Android.

            Rather than asking for enormous quantities of RAM, we should be asking why so much is needed in the first place. Think of it this way — most notebooks and PCs had 2GB RAM five years ago, and yet their CPU performance was exponentially superior to what the A7 or Snapdragon S800 can offer today. When these chips’ computational abilities are still a fraction of a five-year-old computer’s, 3-4GB RAM should not be necessary in phones and tablets for a few years yet.

            • Alex James Simon

              Long, but I do get what your saying.

            • minipanda

              I think the answer is simple, and seems you have answer it yourself.
              it’s because Android apps run on top of Virtual Machine, it needs more RAM, and prone to performance issue/lag,
              compared to native app on ios, wp, or bb10.

            • TTechie247

              You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.

      • John-Phillip Saayman

        My point too. They could’ve just left it in the store room for two years because maybe then iOs could utilize it.

      • minipanda

        64-bit surely has better processing speed.
        but it won’t matter to developer, especially those working on cross platform development.

        app/game developer that target multiple platform, ios/android/wp/bb/etc, will target lowest common denominator hardware available, that is, 32-bit. even if you only target ios market, you still had to target 32-bit, because most iDevices today are still 32-bit.

        sure you can recompile to 64-bit, but dev will still assume their program will run on 32-bit. it gives less headache to dev, particularly on program maintenance and reducing possible bugs.

        • Alex James Simon

          So basically there won’t be that many apps that really utilize 64-bit at first I doubt even the 2014 64-bit Android devices will be able to really utilize it at first either, probably it wont be until 2015 that 64-bit will go into full effect for phones and tablets, like I’ve said before its mainly a numbers game.

    • Q.

      I find the go fingerprint scanner interesting but other than that both iPhones are unsurprisingly fatigued.

    • RaptorOO7

      Seriously, who the heck voted “Impressive” come on all 4 of you fess up.

      • Oli72

        lol. who said impressive. c’mon man. drinking the apple juice again.

        • mobilemann

          dude, apple makes some pretty cool stuff. You should get over it.

      • MasterMuffin

        22 already :D But it isn’t a failure either (180 people vote for that)

        • samsparkin

          Woohoo

      • Leonardo Rojas

        I voted “Impressive” n.n Latest Android releases haven’t been that good for me, the Xperia Z Ultra and Note 3, only, cause they combine many things into one.

        • Leonardo Rojas

          Oh no, I’ve been downvoted.X.x

          • MasterMuffin

            You knew it was coming when you commented :)

            • samsparkin

              Yo

      • minipanda

        I choose ‘impressive’, because I give credit where it’s due.

        That fingerprint scanner is handy for elderly people. I might buy 5s later for my uncle (probably 1-2 years from now, assuming android phones still didn’t have decent fingerprint scanner by then)

        however for myself, I choose android any time. I love freedom, choice, & personalization.
        competition is good after all.

        • Grman Rodriguez

          That sounds like a “solid devices” kind of argument

          • minipanda

            hmm, probably you’re right.
            I’m not good at multiple choices.. :D

        • Colton Spurlock

          My only disagreement with you is the comment on android making decent finger print scanners why should they when apple has come out to say that even there’s isn’t flawless and has problems I think until this technology is perfected it just shouldn’t be out at all

    • The Calm Critic

      I’ve said my piece on 5S/A7 over there at BGR so I’ll shorten it up here:-
      1. 10 points for the A7. It’s a gate opener if it isn’t anything else and at the very least a good lesson as to how do others (Qualcomm = Snapdragon, Samsung = Exynos, MediaTek etc) take/should do their ARMv8 strategy. With RAM or no RAM isn’t the point. It’s about initial execution and call it the early adoption test phase.

      2. Fingerprint scanning. Atm I can’t take this seriously, I’m not a careless person and I don’t need another annoyance of a security measure from some maybe overzealous app designers in the near future and last but not least at the risk of hard trolling a rabid iFan, you have gotta be beyond mental to want to pay the Apple tax just to surrender yet another biometric data in. It adds to the 5S sugar crusted RDF hey more power to them if it makes ‘em happy.

      3. For all the 64 bit firepower, I’d rather get that and use that throughout the day on something that’s far less eye straining than my current qHD Super AMOLED 4.3″ S2 GT-I9100G. Let’s not even begin about the retina or ppi crap. I just can’t/won’t deal w/ something smaller. Period.

      5. 1570mAh batt + iOS so-called superior batt life. Which is BS if it’s parallel to my use case. 130mAh increase. Hell my 2 year G’s at 1650mAh and mine outlast any iPhone 5. They can get away with that over there but not here in Android camp. Apple’s iPhone made the 3rd party batt case industry before it even spilled out to Android = FACT.

      6. 5C? Only a recently evicted cave dweller would even consider to pay the Apple tax for that and that’s before they get any info about the iPhone 5, if they know what’s good for them…nuff said.

      • Leonardo Rojas

        Good points. I see Apple is very greedy and stingy. Bad combination. Battery size and RAM amount are disappointing, as usual.
        But they do build very nice looking devices n.n Haha

    • abazigal

      I have my own theories about why Apple is moving to 64-bit. The crux here is that Apple is a veritable ecosystem in its own right. Apple has been known to use the same technologies in multiple products, so it does not make sense to limit any analysis to just its iphone alone.

      One – they may intend to come out with their own ARM-based laptops one day. It makes sense when you realise that there really isn’t much differentiating their macbooks for regular laptops, spec-wise. Both will use the latest processors (which are released at around the same time), have similar amounts of RAM and flash storage; the only differentiator is OSX.

      Designing their own ARM processors would allow Apple to buck this deadline and release updated macbooks at their own timeline, not intel’s. For example, you know everyone will update their processors at around June very year. Apple could change that by announcing a refresh at some other time, like March. It would also allow them to better differentiate their offerings against the competition.

      Second, what product would run IOS, benefit from 64-bit programming (mainly for gaming) and possibly require more than 4gb of RAM?

      An up-coming Apple TV (not the set-top box, but a full-fledged gaming console, like the PS4).

      It seems to be that said move was never about benefitting the iphone, but more about laying the groundwork to entice developers to create 64-bit games for their upcoming Apple TV console. Especially with support for game controllers finally coming in IOS7.

      If that’s the case, then it would really be forward-looking.

    • gisellecas

      Iphones are still played out.Still on 3g speed after all these years. not exactly revolutionary!

      • mobilemann

        are you kidding or stupid?

    • deepen03

      the worse thing is.. as much of a fail the iPhone launch may have been, the iSheep will buy any phone with a fruit on it!

      • dead BEEF

        Yeah. A disaster I would say… If I bought 5S I would be iSheep. If I bought an Android device I would be a genius. Tough decision. No…I do not deserve being a genius:D

    • Jay Eurethya

      I would question everyone who will buy this 5S/C phone with exact price as they bought 5 a year ago. Apple had 1 year to innovate and this is the progress they made.
      The jury still out for ios7 though.

      I dont think apple is cool in Indonesia thought. I can see people staring iphone owner as “what a waste of money” or “what a newbie”

    • John-Phillip Saayman

      The results says it all..

    • Jusephe

      I like how are you desperately trying every year to bash the new iPhone as much as possible… And how are you wrong every single year.

      • On a Clear Day

        And you would justify this observation by what stretch of the imagination? Given Apple has consistently lagged behind Android in virtually any area one might wish to focus upon.

    • On a Clear Day

      Once upon a time, there was a car maker named Packard.

      Packard was renowned for being among the most stylish as well as sophisticated technology wise cars of its time period and was a smashing success and “the car” to own and be seen in if you were hyper successful and status conscious (or wanted people to think you were even if you were anything but) – until, until it decided that it could be all things to all people and brought out what might be characterized as the “Packard for everybody” model – more affordable, smaller etc. What Packard and others through the years didn’t realize is that it is a big mistake to fool with one’s brand’s image – almost to the same degree that it is to fool with mother nature.

      In relatively short order Packard went the way of the great auk and joined the other footnotes of automotive history that stood up, stood out and then fell down through mis-apprehension of their market as well as an inability to judge the shifting and evolving forces of their market.

      Apple has always presented itself as a premium option and managed – until lately – to foist that image of itself with at least a modicum of validity on any and all gullible enough to buy it based on a degree of truth backing it up.

      The current offerings – including a cheaper version that costs just a scosh less than the “premium” 5S version, which itself, let’s face it, is exactly the same but different than the 5 in ways that aren’t particularly meaningful, hearkens of Packard syndrome. They’ve realized their boat has sprung countless leaks and are doing desperate, stupid, rushed things to try to address the issue and in the process undermining the very core marketing element that used to distinguish them.

      I used to sell cell phones at a major carrier. One thing you find out relatively quickly is that there is almost universal disrespect among cell phone salesmen/women and their managers for Apple and its “revolutionary products”. The people purveying the iPhone to the millions who buy it quietly recognize (but of course never point out) that most of the people waltzing in in a cloud of iPhone bedazzlement are there not because they are privy to a vast body of technological knowledge that validates the wisdom and prudence of buying an iPhone because it truly is the best, but rather because they want to believe that same is so.

    • Elliot Kotis

      GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD, 64BIT will not make an ounce of different, maybe 1% faster, espicially with only 1-2GB of RAM. Finger print scanner? HAHAHA So Motorola Atrix 4G, plus they onl;y just beat HTC ONE MAX to the punch line, eveything else is, wait…..there is nothing else.

      • http://www.garysims.co.uk garysims

        Elliot, 64-bit makes a big difference and it has nothing to do with the amount of memory that can be addressed. Think of this example. If I am decoding an MP4 video file and I am able to process the file using 64-bit wide words and 64-bit SIMD instructions then the decoding will be quicker. Of course most processors have some form of hardware video decoding capabilities but you get the point.

        Another way to look at is like this, on a highway four lanes is faster than two especially when there is a lot of traffic. Likewise 64-bit is faster than 32-bit.

    • smokebomb

      “the launch of the new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5s.”

      What?

      • http://AndroidAuthority.com/ Bogdan Petrovan

        Oops, fixed that.

    • Ashoaib

      I dumped my iphone 4S two months ago against midiocre Andriod device… since then I am in a peace of mind and can do anything openly. Not a fan of apple any more, before I was a crazy dude too who dont get tired talking about the wonderfulness of Apple. They litterly have nothing expect good secure OS…

    • lesportif

      “The Nexus 4, which is far superior to the 5C”
      Muhahahahahaha :-D

    • samsparkin

      Look at the conversations!! Where’s Master Muffin?

    • samsparkin

      Screen size is the biggest put off….

    • gary

      #FAIL

    • Valtheus

      The product announcements were exactly what i expected. Everybody knew that the 5S would be just a minor update to 5. Also i never thought that Apple would sell a really “cheap” phone. Perhaps they forgot how the cheap Mac mini revived their computer sales back in 2005. Of course Mac mini was an innovative computer back then, where iPhone 5C is simply an iPhone 5 with plastic rear.

      What do these 2 products mean for the android? Nothing, nada. There are far superior products out there, and android 4.3 is much better OS than iOS 7. Now if google would create a much better store experience and developers some awesome apps.

    • James Brown

      About as impressive as a donut with sparkles. New, innovative sparkly sparkles!

    • Magnetic1

      Some day the question will be do you want to buy the iphone or carry two phones with you? Currently 64bit opens the window for running java runtime engine on ios linux. So if ios can support android, ou don’t have to carry two phones.

    • Doug

      Awesome debate with some excellent perspective. I really like the fact that the Fandroid editors can give credit where it’s due. On the 64 bit architecture: my understanding is that 64 bit CPUs provide significant advantages over their predecessors even without 4+ GB of RAM. Sure, the extra RAM addresses help with multitasking, but they also have more bandwidth, can handle more threads, are generally more reliable, etc. Look at the PS3 and xbox 360. They both had 64-bit RISC CPUs with 256 and 512 MB of RAM respectively.

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