A bit earlier today, Apple unveiled the iPad Air and iPad Mini (2nd gen). The newly refreshed models offer improved specs over their predecessors, and the iPad Mini even gets an upgraded Retina display.
For most of us in the Android world, there’s probably not much to be excited about here, though. This is the same old Apple and that means relatively minor spec revisions and tons of hype. Still, some folks might be curious about what exactly has changed with the new iPads and how they compare with flagship Android tablets.
So let’s jump right in and take a brief look at how the iPad Mini and iPad Air hold up when compared to Android’s best – at least on paper.
In the Android camp, there are few 10-inch tablets that come close to Samsung’s latest, the Galaxy Note 10.1. The Note 10.1 comes in two configurations, a 2.3GHz quad-core Snapdragon 800 for LTE markets, and a 1.9GHz octa-core Exynos 5 for 3G markets.
The rest of the specs apply to both versions and include a massive 3GB RAM, 32/64GB storage, microSD, an 8MP back cam, 2MP front cam, an 8220mAh battery, an S-Pen and Android 4.3 Jelly Bean with Touch Wiz. Finally, the display is a 10.1-incher with a 2560 x 1600 resolution.
On the Apple side of the fence, the new iPad Air features a 64-bit Apple A7 CPU, which provides 8x faster performance than the original iPad and 72x better GPU performance. There’s also a Facetime HD front cam, 5MP iSight main cam, expanded LTE support and a battery rated for 10 hours of life.
While the new iPad Air offers an impressive 64-bit processor, the Mac maker didn’t go into detail in terms of RAM, so we have a feeling we are looking at a paltry 1GB RAM – just like with the iPhone 5S. Overall, the iPad Air has decent specs and a very thin design, but its hardware isn’t going to blow anyone away.
Turning to the software side, the iPad Air is powered by iOS 7, and includes iLife and iWork for free. Beyond that, this is pretty much the same OS as we have already seen with the iPhone 5S – only in larger screen glory.
As for the Note 10.1, you get Android 4.3 with TouchWiz right out of the box. This includes all the Android 4.3 goodies you’d expect, alongside tons of TouchWiz improvements, S-Pen enhancements and other special software that really sets the Note 10.1 apart from both the stock Android experience and anything that Apple brings to the table with iOS 7 and the iPad Air.
So which tablet is the better one? It really comes down to preference. Some folks truly prefer the walled garden approach of an Apple device and don’t mind that their hardware isn’t necessarily bleeding edge in the same way as Android devices.
For the rest of us, there are plenty of great Android options – the Galaxy Note 10.1 included.
Now let’s turn our attention to Apple’s next-gen Mini. This time around we’ll compare the 7.9-inch tablet to the trusted Nexus 7 (2013), as well as the recently released LG G Pad 8.3. We’ll start by taking a look at the new iPad Mini.
The Apple iPad Mini (2nd gen) is basically the same exact device as its bigger brother, only in much more condensed form. You get the same cameras, same 64-bit CPU and the power of iOS 7. The only noticeable differences are the 7.9-inch 2048 x 1536 resolution display and a smaller 23.8 watt-hour battery. That said, the battery performs similarly to the Air’s bigger battery due to the smaller display and other optimizations.
Like the iPad Air, we are looking at iOS 7, again with free iLife and iWork access out of the box. Not much to say here about iOS 7, other than it seems to be a pretty sizable improvement over iOS 6 and should provide pretty much the same experience as found on the iPhone 5S and iPad Air.
LG G Pad 8.3 and Nexus 7 (2013)
The G Pad is is an 8.3-inch tablet with a 1920 x 1200 resolution display, it also features a Snapdragon 600 CPU, 2GB RAM, 16GB storage, a 4,600 mAh battery, a 5MP main cam, a 1.3MP rear cam and Android 4.2.2.
On the software side, you get Android 4.2.2 with light customized theme from LG. Probably one of the most significant added software features is LG’s Q Pair, which allows you to sync certain notifications from your phone over to your tablet.
Last but certainly not least we have Google’s popular refreshed Nexus 7. This bad boy features a 7-inch 1920 x 1200 resolution display, a 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon 24 Pro, 2GB RAM, 16/32GB storage, a 5MP rear cam, 1.2MP front cam and a 3,950 mAh battery.
On the software side we get stock Android 4.3, and that means this will be one of the first devices to get Android 4.4 KitKat when it rolls out later this month. For stock Android fans, it doesn’t get better than this!
When pitting all three of these tablets against one another, they all have their own strengths and weaknesses. For the Nexus 7 (2013) we get decent hardware, a smooth stock Android experience and a very low price tag. The G Pad 8.3 has a large, high-resolution display, beefy specs, cool features like G Pair and a metal design that is both durable and reasonably attractive.
The iPad Mini actually surprises a bit here by offering a higher resolution display and a unique 64-bit CPU- both of which one-up the competiton. On the downside, the tablet may only have 1GB of RAM (Apple has yet to verify this). Starting at $399, it’s also not exactly super affordable.
Again, it’s hard to call any of these three tablets ‘better’ than one another. If you want the best resolution display, a 64-bit processor and Apple’s iOS 7 – the iPad Mini is a no brainer. On the Android front, it comes down to whether you’d rather have stock Android or a larger 8.3-inch display with a speedy Snapdragon 600 CPU.
Apple has been working hard to up its game recently with both its smartphones and now its brand new tablets. Whether or not they succeed in this area is debatable, but we have to admit that the new iPads are certainly not bad looking devices and seem to have more than solid enough specs to give Android’s best tablets a run for the money.
In short, it’s all about which ecosystem fits you best. What do you think of Apple’s latest tablets? Impressed or not?
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nexus 7 king of 7inch tablet.
I find the G pad most interesting at the moment but i agree that Nexus was and still is the kind of 7″
I agree totally. For the price of the Nexus 7 and what it offers it’s untouchable. The 32GB model is almost half the price of the iPad Mini2
iPad mini with retina king of 8 inch tablets.
I still can’t believe Apple charges $100 for double storage space.
Well here in Italy they charges 110euro -> 151.55$
I can’t believe the new mini is $399.
16GB iPad 5- $499
16GB iPad 5+Cellular- $629
Whut? O.o…….$130 just to add a radio?
You’re drunk. How does the nexus 7 offer better specs? Lower screen reso, slower proc. Even if the nexus 7 had an extra gb of ram it wouldn’t make a difference :0 *sent from my n4*
I can assure you I am not drunk. Both the old and new Nexus 7s do have better specs than the old iPad Mini. The old iPad Mini, which already has inferior specs to the old Nexus 7, still costs more than the old Nexus 7, even after the reduced price of today.
I think you’re missing the point that Apple makes profit from selling it’s hardware, Google doesn’t.
I know that.
They aren’t sacrificing that much. The Android line only makes up 10% of their revenue. Apple, on the other hand also has a significant revenue stream from iTunes. There is no reason Apple couldn’t lower their hardware prices a bit other than it would show weakness. Their hardware has always been good, but overpriced with a horrible ecosystem. I agree the Nexus 7 is the best overall experience.
Relative to their ENTIRE profit, I agree they are not sacrificing much. I also agree there is no reason Apple couldn’t lower their prices. Not only do they have iTunes and Apple store revenue, they have TONS of other hardware revenue. They even make more revenue than Google at the moment. And although I use Android, I do not agree that Apple has a horrible ecosystem.
Does it make Google look better, or does it make Google look like it can’t compete in the traditional sense and has to make zero profit hardware to ensure any level of success? I’d say the latter rather than the former.
I’d say it makes Google look better with customers. I do not think it makes Google look like it can’t compete in the traditional sense and has to make zero profit hardware to ensure any level of success because their products are at the level of success that they are not just because of the price, but because of the price AND excellent specs and software. On a side note, I am sure there is SOME profit made, not ZERO, regardless of whether it is Google and/or the OEM that receives profit. Google also indirectly gets profit from selling Nexuses.
Apple doesn’t even make their hardware, they buy everything from everyone else, samsung makes there processors, ram and memory and lg makes their screen. And they are not gonna re-up with samsung just becuase the want to get away from being dependent on the company they always file suit against but will be slaves to other hardware companies. They do help the economy tho and people with jobs since they don’t make thier own hardware.
Google doesn’t make their own hardware either.
Apple makes *huge* profit from selling its hardware xD
(apple fanboy) well, but you are not considering advertising, difficulty to manage connections with alluminium case… and apple’s antennas are better designed than other companies xD
I buy Apple to get iOS, not an Apple on the back. If there were other devices with iOS that weren’t built by Apple, I’d probably buy them. But the OS and software are by far the most important element when it comes to buying a smartphone or tablet.
And I agree with you, but you should agree with us that lte module is overpriced as like the extra gigabytes. Apple simply takes advantage from being the only company to produce devices with ios. We never know if someone else could be able to sell better ios devices at a lower price.
Well of course it does, iOS is their killer feature! The extra storage space and LTE is hugely expensive in comparison to what you could get yourself in an SD card for instance, but if you want iOS and that amount of storage, it’s tough shit.
How about offering mobile but with no extra storage?
What do you mean?
OK, you just said the extra storage space is hugely expensive in comparison to an SD card, but I’m just agreeing with you and making Apple’s situation even worse by saying how about no extra storage and just adding LTE.
That was just an explanation of what you didn’t get the first time.
No, I’m wondering what your point is. You can update LTE and storage capacity separately.
Yes I know that :). I was just saying that Apple charges$130 more just to add a radio, which is absurd.
Well if you want iOS and LTE, then tough!
Glad I don’t like iOS then.
Why? You’d have an even greater choice and variety of devices if you did.
Advertising does not directly affect the price of the product. Even then, both Google and Apple advertise, and they can choose how much they want to advertise. Difficulty to manage connections with aluminum case, that’s a little thing; they chose to make the case aluminum and have to deal with it. Apple’s antennas are better designed than other companies? Are you sure? Even then, that may or may not factor into the cost of the device.
Well I was sarcastic ;-)
Yeah yeah yeah, I noticed that :)
let’s see: nexus 7 with a 323ppi screen in a smaller form factor vs ipad mini with 324ppi in a larger factor. I’ll take the smaller form factor and unbridled Android experience any day over the ipad mini.
yeah I’m sure Apple just added that extra pixel to say we have more pixels then you, but one extra pixel isn’t going to make any difference at all.
exactly. Plus PRICE!!
$400? For a small-size tablet? Apple, we appreciate those radical improvements, but can you justify the $400 price tag, just $100 short of the iPad Air?
Well, this is 100$ less for … the same specs ! Considering the costs of miniaturization, it’s comparatively quite a great price.
Yes, I think the iPad mini is now the new iPhone 5c. It’s to lure customers into buying the bigger device.
How come you are not comparing the iPad Air against the thinnest Android tablet, the Xperia Z?
Form factors are indeep comparable, as is built quality, but the Z isn’t a top performer anymore (and nor is the 2013 Nexus).
Don’t forget the fact that this A7 chip eats Snapdragon 800 for breakfast. S4 Pro is 2012 SoC now.
Huh? What unbiased evidence can you provide that says the Snapdragon is eaten for breakfast by the A7? The way I understand the specs, the A7 has the better GPU but S800 has the better CPU. They are both very good chips from a hardware perspective.
Well almost all benchmarks ran on both platforms put the A7 on top for CPU performance (please consider the cheated results of some Android devices as non existent), and on par for GPU performance.
Don’t say benchmarks are pointless because if it is so, you have to consider the iOS lightness (iOS is lighter) and the apps level of optimization (better on iOS).
I prefer Xperia Tablet Z over any iPad, design & waterproof wins for me.
Android tablets suck though. the phones are amazing but there are hardly any tablet apps.
As Android SDK is made there are no “tablet apps”, every app can run on an Android tablet with Android 4.0+. That thing of “tablet apps” was invented by Apple cause in their limited OS you have to make you app for a specific resolution, so if you make an app for the iPhone you have to redo all the UI for an iPad application, that is not necessary cause Android was made with the brain allowing good DEVs to do half the work :D.
Of course Android has tablet apps, heck SwiftKey even has a tablet version of it’s keyboard.
That case is a decision of the DEV, for the example the AOSP keyboard exist in one single apk that can be installed in tablets or smartphone.
Well it was just an example, there are tons of apps that have tablet versions on Android.
Exeptions that confirm the rule ;-)
Tons of exceptions? OK.
I love my Android tablet and it’s not even a current one.
It is such a stupid thing to say that iOS is superior to Android because there are more apps. That is the same as saying that gasoline engines are superior to deisel because it’s hard to find deisel fuel in my city.
i own both an ipad mini and the new nexus 7. the nexus 7′s screen is really nice. but even with such beefed up specs, android is still not as smooth as iOS on the mini. then there’s the quality of apps. even google’s apps look/perform better on iOS.
I have both too. The iPad is indeed at least as smooth and more constantly so. This new A7 powered Mini certainly FLIES through its apps.
Of course, iOS is just a grid of apps. Android has a homescreen with live wallpaper support, multiple compositing layers, widget support, and true/better multitasking. iOS just barely got complex with iOS 7. It shows because iOS7 did introduce lag to iPhones, iPads, and iPods. My point: Now that Apple has made iOS’s complexity closer to Android’s with iOS 7, iOS is starting to stutter. And I did try iOS7 on all those devices and stutter definitely is noticeable, even more than the 2013 Nexus in my experience.
I don’t know, I still find my iOS devices smoother than my nexus devices (4, old and new 7). And what’s frustrating is that it takes so much hardware for the nexus devices to try and run smoothly. At least they’re cheap. I don’t mind paying for great experience though.
All the things you mentioned don’t matter during usage, at least to me. What matters most is the experience. Every android phone that comes out keeps going for the specs race. With so much ram and monstruous CPUs, they still can’t get things right. My last hope is with Moto X, although I don’t think i’ll be able to get my hands on one.
I think the problem may lie with JB. It is a powerful OS and uses about 512mb RAM. And about the Moto X: it’s optimized like the iPhone, so everything is built or best-ftted for it
Well, when someone says, “run for their money”, then I’d have to compare the offerings from multiple vendors from the same price point. The Nexus 7 is ridiculously cheaper. The bang for the buck is greater. If the comparison is Apple’s iPad, then I need to see equivalently priced Android tablets OR, like you properly did, equivalently spec’d Android tablets, emphasizing the massive price differences.
The Nexus 7 technically has a an underclocked snapdragon 600. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)#Snapdragon_600
So you don’t like Apple’s walled garden. Well it seems that Google maybe building their own.
If Google building a walled garden means they Will force OEMs to install less bloat and offer a stock android experience, build away. Vanilla android is the best experience possible. If you want to install some UI like Touchwiz on your device for the features it provides, it should be your choice and not forced upon you.
Not the same intent. . . at all!
Bash Apple all you want but there’s nothing that compares to the full size iPad in the Android universe; says the guy with an iPad 4th gen, ’13 Nexus 7, and LG G2. The app ecosystem for the iPad puts it currently beyond the touch of Android.
Agreed. Apple had a head start, and encouraged tablet-optimized apps.
I’d take the Note 10.1 any day
What happens when the tide shifts, and it will, and developers begin to realize that Android has the market share. Will the hardware still be superior with Apple? If you take the app availability (which on some level I agree with and for the life of me cannot understand) out of the mix and compare just hardware and OS I would take a free the free 128Gb iPad mini any day. And here is why: I’d sell it to some idiot who would overpay for it then go buy myself a Nexus 5 and Nexus 10-2 with the proceeds.
Walled garden argument for the lose.
IPad mini is pretty legit. Probably the best tablet under 10 inches. But the Nexus being so much cheaper & LG G Pad also being $50 cheaper w/ SD support it comes in last place as the tablet I would buy. If someone offered me one of these for free 128GB iPad mini would be the winner. $700… F that!
The key to me is which ecosystem do you prefer, as mentioned in the post. I just left the Apple ecosystem after a year+ of exploring alternatives. Owned Apple phones, tablets and computers. Does Apple make good “stuff” yes. So does Google and the Android community, however. For me my decision to leave Apple hinged on not being able to determine my own computing experience. If you want to have most everything predetermined, Apple works. If however, you want to create a unique and personal computing experience, Android is the by far the superior approach. I am now fully within the Google/Android digital tent and have re-discovered the joy of computing. I make changes to my computing environment as a process of creation as opposed to constantly searching for workarounds. A simple example: I liked the iPad Mini but the overall quality of the experience was lackluster. I now use the Nexus 4 and 7 (2013) and design my interface as I see fit. Nexus hardware via Android is simply a joy to use.
“..constantly searching for workarounds.” Maybe you should make that line bold enough eheh, reminder for other apple user. :D
+1 for you sir.
That’s interesting because I find Android is the platform where I’m ‘…constantly searching for workarounds’. Lock screen notifications, lock screen media controls, lock screen access to a Siri equivalent, decent keyboard, fast, fluid interface, all missing from Android devices. I’ve had to post messages in forums and install all sorts of apps, tweak loads of settings and generally mess on with my Razr i for hours to even begin to match what the iPhone does out of the box. I’ve absolutely no idea where this notion comes from that it’s iOS that is lacking!
Your first mistake is Motorola. Out of all the Android hardware/ skin combinations I like Motorola the least. The hardware is lackluster and clunky and Moto Blur is not as intuitive as some of the other skins. The beauty of Android is I have choice in hardware. I guess you do with Apple too. If you don’t like the 5s then return it and get the 5s in a different color. I challenge you to live with the Nexus 5 running stock Android and I will swap sim cards with my daughter and use her 5c for the duration of your return period. I don’t understand what you are talking about with lock screen notifications. On my nexus 4 I can access my camera, email, Google now (superior to SIRI), texts, podcasts, music player, etc. all from my lockscreen. I personally do not like accessing apps from the lockscreen but that is just me. Why would I want people that don’t have my password to have access to my stuff. I really think you don’t know how to use Android or maybe that functionality is not available on Blur. Further, everyone I know that have bought Motorola junk are all on Verizon. Verizon has crap for selection when it comes to Android. Even their version of the S4 does not come with stock Android. You will never have the best Android experience until you get a different carrier. In the meantime, try an LG G2 or the Note 3. Please provide examples of the other tweaks you’ve had to do. Odds are you just need a quick class in how to operate your phone. By the way, I do not buy the fact that iOS is a more intuitive interface than Android. I think if you are relatively savvy and know how to explore an OS you can figure both out fairly well. What else can iOS do out of the box that Android can’t?
AA is doing a LG G pad vs Nexus 7 2013? Score ^.^
Even the Nexus 10 2012 can beat the Apple Air. Except for the weight but there’s a new Nexus 10 coming that’ll probably be way better than any Apple crap.
Well, I’m pretty sure Google knew that, so they would make a 10-incher similar to the Note 10.1
Yeah sure. Where can this laggy crap even beat an iPad 4 except for the weight ?
Have you ACTUALLY compared both ?
Where are you coming from. In the iPad 4 vs Nexus 10 the Nexus is the clear winner. Just specs alone.
We all know benchmarks don’t mean much in real usage.
Anyway, but you win so you can go celebrate standing in line for your iPad Air. Cheers
This is ridiculous. When every source says one thing, you can keep on believing your wishes ?
I always have four devices an iphone, a nexus phone, an iPad and a nexus tablet. I may be one of the rare customers to actually use your both daily. You must be just like the majority of the fanboys (from both sides) : you only know one side of the mobile world.
Seriously, have you used (not for just an hour or two !) an iPad 4 and a Nexus 10 ? Have you charged them both after a full battery drain ? Have you looked for apps in the PlayStore only to find the exist solely for iOS ? Have you seen with your own eyes heavy web pages stuttering on the N10 when they just scroll on the iPad ?? Have you ever found yourself grabbing the iOS device when the Nexus can’t click on a link because of complex CSS layout Chrome doesn’t handle ?
Get what your saying but I don’t care much for iOs devices. Which might make me blind to some things they do have but still the point was just that for most of us who like Android the Nexus devices do well enough and there is no need to use iOS. And I get that some people use both. That’s fine, it’s a free country. Just saying though, calling the Nexus 10 laggy crap is uncalled for. Since I wouldn’t say it’s crap and laggy is subjective.
But you don’t even need to answer this. I’m just clarifying what was meant.
How does an app developers decision to build for iOS before Android make the iPad and iPhone a better piece of tech? I will use the same argument that Apple disciples used to use a few years back, “it’s all about the user experience.” I cannot speak to N10 vs iPad4 but I can say I have used both the iPhone and Android phone platforms extensively. Only because my daughter has to have an iPhone because her friends do. I have used, troubleshot, added software music etc. to her iPhones and I can sum up the iOS experience compared to Android as hamstrung. There are certain things that work very smoothly on iOS but you damm well better like it because if you don’t you have very few options. Even if you download an app to replace their POS homegrown app (Apple Maps vs. Google Maps) you have been unable to set the better app as default. In fairness, I haven’t tried to set a default app since iOS7 so that could have changed. All the functions of both are the same in the end. They both, text, make calls, surf the web etc. but I will take the Android experience over Apple anyday. In fact, I would pay more for an Android phone over Apple I like it that much. And that is what Apple should be aiming for. They need to command a higher price because the overall experience (hardware, software, app availability) is so much better. Not because they marketed their product into superiority.
“Choosing a default app”. Yeah, that’s a great feature.
Honestly I don’t find it very cumbersome to choose the “Open with…” option in iOS to choose another app but still, it’s better to be able to set it for good.
Is it seriously the worst thing lacking in iOS ? How is that such a big deal ?
My only question is why do Apple fanboys flock to Android websites as if there is some battle they must fight to prove their devices are best? Feel threatened much?
Just trying to help curing idiocracy.
Never-mind. I’m outta here.
The Verge when referring to new iPad Mini- “Amazing that they can bring a Retina display to the $399 price point” O.o
Google did that last year with an even higher than Retina display with the Nexus 10. Plus, its easier now for Apple since high resolution display prices have surely gone down. Plus, Nexus 10′s display is bigger than iPad Mini
N10 did that with bulkier casing, worst battery life and weaker processor & GPU. Don’t get mad. Fact.
Of course, you are comparing a brand new unreleased product with a product more than a year old. Nexus 10 was at the top of its class when it was released. It had a top-of-the-line processor (one of, if not the first, tablet with a Cortex A15 processor), was the lightest tablet, and certainly did not have the worst battery life. :) Don’t get mad. Fact. Definitely more fact than what you just said.
Definitively not a better GPU, but everything else is better.
Oh I see. I was seeing the Pocketnow spec list and from the specs they provide, the Nexus 10′s Mali GPU seems superior (for example double cache). It’s also worthy to note that benchmarks are not reliable as we have seen in recent news from Anandtech. Also, its worthy to note that Nexus 10 had more pixels to push. But from the looks of it(benchmarks), it does seem like the iPad 4 has the better GPU. Was the iPad 4 released after the Nexus 10?
According to Wikipedia it was released a month earlier than the Nexus 10
Let’s hope Google can come up with a better GPU than this iPad 5. I have doubts since the current king of GPUs among the Androids is the Snapdragon 800, unless Google does something unexpected and introduces a chip with the same GPU as iPad 5.
apple’s been consistently incredible about the GPU, although at some point, you have to stop caring, the areduno 330 is beast mode!
Adreno 330 is beast >.< but still, I want the best.
You sure about that? I thought the rumor was that Asus had the new N10. Doesn’t Asus normally stick with Tegra?
The only thing worst than benchmarks is … SPECLIST !
I’ve learned my lesson.
The N10 was the absolute best Android tablet one year ago, I give you that, but except for CPU performance and relative thinness, it was lagging behind the iPad 4 in every department. Yes Cortex A15 was a breakthrough but the iPad’s GPU was king, it’s battery life was MUCH better (find an honest review) and 10.1″@16:9 is NOT a larger screen than 9.7″@4:3. I’m not even talking about software, colour reproduction, apps, sturdiness, accessories, charging time, looks, cloud services, OS upgradability….
That’s why I think this 100$ difference in price was largely justified by the iPad 4.
” I give you that, but except for CPU performance and relative thinness, it was lagging behind the iPad 4 in every department.”
You just confirmed what I said while also contradicting your first comment about CPU performance and bulkiness. Also, I’m sure Nexus 10 did not lag behind iPad 4 in EVERY department. Even then, Nexus 10 was less expensive while still beating iPad 4 in some categories and matching it in some. Also, my original comment was about Nexus 10, new iPad mini, and price. I only used the iPad 4 in my response to you to say Nexus 10 was even lighter than iPad 4.
“Yes Cortex A15 was a breakthrough but the iPad’s GPU was king”
First of all, this would have been a little better if you compared CPU with CPU. Nevertheless, yes, Cortex A15 was a breakthrough, yes, iPad’s GPU was king, and? I only mentioned the GPU of the Nexus 10 not for the point of comparison, but to show that Google was able to bring a more-than-Retina-display tablet to the $399 price point a year ago while still equipping an excellent GPU, to contradict what you said.
“it’s battery life was MUCH better (find an honest review)”
Yes? All I said was that the Nexus 10 “certainly did not have the worst battery life” and I said that to contradict what you said about Nexus 10 having the worst battery life.
“10.1″@16:9 is NOT a larger screen than 9.7″@4:3″
True, but then again I was talking about Nexus 10 having a much higher resolution and larger display than new iPad mini while keeping the price at $399.
“I’m not even talking about software, colour reproduction, apps, sturdiness, accessories, charging time, looks, cloud services, OS upgradability”
Software may or may not have to do with the pricing of a tablet. Color reproduction might, but both the Nexus 10 and iPad 4 had excellent color reproduction. Apps, well, to be honest, even though Android has more apps, I think Apple has more apps of good quality, but Android apps are less limited and can do more stuff. Sturdiness, yes, it has an impact on price, and iPad 4 is definitely more sturdy. Accessories can come from 1st party or 3rd party. 3rd party accessories do not have impact on price. 1st party might, but not all the time. Charging time, well, it depends. We need iFixit teardown to find the cost of the charging assemblies. Looks don’t have to have an impact on price. Cloud services may or may not. I think Apple has simpler cloud services, but Google’s cloud prowess is unrivaled. OS upgradability does not have a direct impact on price, and may or may not have a direct impact (capable hardware). Nonetheless, I was trying to prove the point that Google was able to bring a more-than-Retina-display to the $399 price point a year ago, and to disprove what you said about Google cutting corners to achieve that price. I just used the iPad 4 and said it was even lighter than iPad 4 to show Google was not cutting corners to achieve that price with a higher resolution display. Even though it did not have the best GPU, it certainly did not cut corners on it either.
Once again you’re forgetting that Apple’s products have to factor in making a profit whereas Google’s don’t. It’s easier for Google to make a ‘retina’ display at $399 because their target profit on the device is 0. Factor in a 30% margin or so on the Google product and it suddenly becomes more expensive.
I know perfectly clear that Apple wants to make big profit, and Google doesn’t care, it just wants the prices to be low. But my point is Google didn’t sacrifice on specs to reach that price point. Apple can still do the same but they just want higher profit. Google could also make the price higher to gain profit, but they choose not to. But then again this is besides what I was talking about.
I actually think it looks worse on Google for operating the way they do (and it’s worse for competition too) as it basically means the only way to compete with Google is to make zero profit products, and only companies with very deep pockets or successful products in other markets can afford to do that. It’s the stuff that anti-trust lawsuits are made of.
I see your point of view. I think that would look bad from a business perspective, but from a constumer’s perspective, we just love Google. Also, its not clear who gets what profit from the Nexus, Samsung or Google. Also, I do not think that Google could get into antri-trust lawsuit for the low prices of the Nexus. O.o Google does not achieve that through illegal practices. There’s nothing wrong with offering low prices for top specs. If it makes it harder for others to compete, so what. It’s not like the government will make Google make their prices higher.
Using your dominant position in one market (ad and search) to manipulate and distort an unrelated market (smartphones and tablets) is very anti-competitive and illegal. And that’s precisely what Google and Amazon are doing.
Yes, under that rule, Google would be in trouble. I believe that rule is broad and complicated (not very specific)and therefore Google hasn’t been in trouble for it. I don’t think Google is doing anything wrong.
It’ll only become a problem when/if it starts to distort the market. However, you’ve just been complaining that Apple don’t price their products the same as Google, yet you seem to be happy to give other manufacturers the benefit of doubt.
I have not been complaining that ” Apple don’t price their products the same as Google”. More specifically, I am complaining that The Verge thought it was amazing that Apple has brought Retina to $399, while Google already did that. I am sticking to the point. And when you say “yet you seem to be happy to give other manufacturers the benefit of doubt.” I don’t quite understand. Please explain further. Also, because I have already contradicted the first part of your last sentence,your whole sentence will be rendered useless regardless of what you have to explain for the second part of your sentence.
I’m not even sure who you’re complaining about now as first it was Apple, now it appears to be The Verge. Maybe you should take their ‘amazing’ comment up with them if you don’t think it’s amazing?
My original comment was about The Verge. But then someone was like Google did that while cutting corners. So I had to explain that Google did not, while bringing back the point of my original comment. Then you talked about the profit thing, so I had to respond, but I kept bringing back the point ( I did mention to you about The Verge in my first ever response to you). In my response to that, you changed the topic by not replying directly to my point, and we started to talk about antitrusts. I said that the rule is very non-specific, and Google is doing nothing bad, that’s why they haven’t gotten into trouble. Then you said about me complaining about Apple not pricing their products same as Google. Not exactly. That’s why I replied to you this – “I have not been complaining that ” Apple don’t price their products the same as Google”. More specifically, I am complaining that The Verge thought it was amazing that Apple has brought Retina to $399, while Google already did that” – I then asked you to explain what you meant by the second part of your statement.
Untrue. Beautifully worded but patently wrong. Please show evidence that commissioning 1 handset and 2 tablets per year and then selling them at 25% discount to equivalent hardware is manipulating and distorting the market. Is that why Samsung is still successfully charging 600 and 700 dollars for their latest and greatest? You were right about Amazon though. Even though what they are doing is not illegal it is more aimed at dethroning Apple than Google. Amazon is selling deeply discounted and very good hardware so that you will buy everything through their store front just like Apple does with their appstore. Meanwhile, Google creates an OS that will let you play anything bought from anywhere. They continue to do this even though they have the Play Store. If Apple were truly in the hardware game they would create phones and tablets that would easily let me add my own mp3s, AVIs, MP4s, etc. I would like to know how much of their revenue comes from iTunes/ appstore/ movie and television sales.
Found a link:
I love how they say that if you broke iTunes out into its own company based on revenue stream it would rank 218 on the Forbes 500. Trust when I say Apple ain’t just making money on their hardware. They are just as much a media company as a hardware commisioner (they don’t actually manufacture anything, they design and have Samsung and others build it ~ kinda like Google). I don’t really count their software since it all has to run on their platform therefore isn’t an income source in and of itself.
If Google’s approach gains more momentum (and Amazon’s for that matter), then the competition authorities might start to have something to say about it. Just use iTunes to add your content like everyone else?!
iTunes is terrible.
It works fine for me. And it also means I don’t have to faff around with files and folders to manually manage my content; it all syncs up automatically.
I’m not sure we agree on what “antitrust” means. Google isn’t an mobile OS or mobile hardware monopoly. They made the OS open source after spending billions of dollars in resources developing it. They don’t have a very big stake in the hardware game. They only come out with a few pieces of hardware per year. You can also argue that they are good for the vendors they commission to make the hardware. I never gave LG much consideration until the Nexus 4. From a strategic perspective I think what Google is doing is brilliant. Apple has been able to charge exorbitant prices because of perceived superiority. Big G is slowly making Apple compete. Look at all the iOS7 “breakthroughs” Its all stuff I’ve had with Android forever. Fanboys are starting to wake up and realize their beloved ecosystem is not superior after all.
Fact is that comment was about the display, nothing else. Keep up at the back.
True, I was gonna mention that.
Then you should know that the first tablet to quadruple the pixel count was the iPad 3, much earlier than the N10.
It doesn’t matter, that’s besides the point.
I’m currently wearing shorts, but like your comment it’s not relevant.
Fact: That was a 2012 device. It still has plenty of power than a iPad 4th Gen.
and people want to say how unbiased the verge is . . . lmao!!!
Just like Engadget.. I’m sure they are funded by Apple.
FYI, his quote is incorrect.
“11:12:31 AM PDT
Amazing that they can’t bring a Retina display to the $399 price point.”
link below if you wanna see it for yourself:/
Also read my response
The verge sucks
as a member of that community, i can tell you with honestly, every sub community, (MS Tribe, Apple Core, and Google-plex,) ALL think the site is biased against their perspective brands.
What’s much, much more pathetic, is kids believe it.
Also, i’ve just searched the verge, for your phrase, could you link it? It’s not in any of the verge’s ipad articles. Astroturfing?
Its in their live blog.
just so you know, they didn’t say that. you quoted them wrong:
can’t and can, are very different. Took me a while to find it.
Yup, I know it says “can’t”. It is obviously a typo. Apple DID bring a Retina display to the $399 price point. Grammar errors occur in live blogs.
well i read it completely out of context, and thought it was referring to the air instead of the mini.
Should have clarified that, still not so sure. that’s my bad for sure, sorry!
The Verge is only unbiased when the champ comes in…MKBHD!!!
He’s awesome, but fuck man was i disappointed when he compared the A7 to the processors in the S2. I lost a ton of respect, but i still have a place for him.
True, honestly, I think he is becoming a little biased. I think he inferred that A7 is comparable to S2 processor because they are both dual core and have the same clock speed, but he should have known that a 1.2 Ghz dual-core 64-bit from 2013 could beat a 1.2 Ghz dual-core 32-bit from 2011.
I’m tired of hearing about “Retina” displays. That was just a marketing gimmick that pointed to the fact the resolution was so high pixelation want discernable to the naked eye. That was back when they were winning the PPI game. There are plenty of hardware manufacturers that now match or beat Retina. The only discussion left is LED vs LCD. Also, agree with your assessment below that it was a typo when taken in context.
Retina display is not all about the resolution. Brightness contrast colors veiwing angles. Just to name a few.
Yes, I know :) The Nexus 10 was good in all those areas as well.
“[B]ut it’s not hardware isn’t going to blow anyone away”
That threw me through a loop for a second.
The only taste of iOS I will ever need is when I owned an iPod touch. Ninety percent frustration. Nice to see Apple at least making an attemptto play catch-up, though.
After going through three N7 2013s, (all of which had touch screen problems), I see a new iPad Mini in my future. I’m no fan of Apple’s ecosystem but I’d rather have a restricted device that works as intended than a unrestricted one that kinda works…sOmetumes.
yeah, cause apple NEVER has issues with their devices. . .
/s — as if I had to point it out.
I’d do about anything to stay away from Apple…except buy a POS device from Google. I’m not willing to settle for the Ronco or Ktel version of a tablet.
It’s soo sadly true. I have an iPad Mini that’s been working from the beginning as advertised, and a 2013 N7 that I already got replaced twice (touch issues, MASSIVE touch issues). Two friends of mine bought their N7 the same day and… they both had them replaced already (GPS not working and one dead device after a self reboot).
LG GPad 8.3. Problem solved.
I never had any issues with my N7. That doesn’t mean ofc that you won’t judge your preference from your own experience, but don’t you think for a second that Apple’s devices have no issues at all.
I had problems with my N7 2012. There was a memory leak that caused performance issues and forced a reboot once in a while. For the most part though, it was a great little tablet. Much more excited about my LG GPad 8.3 that should be here soon.
Aw come on, the Sony Xperia Z tablet is way better than Galaxy Tab 10.1!
I have never used apple product, but I have followed both Samsung and apple since first iPhone and first galaxy s phone. Right now iPhone is in its 5th version hardware vise, and Samsung is in 4th (rumors about S5 is surfacing). I love android, becuase I can use galaxy s2 skyrocket and use android 4.2.2 jellybean ( cyanogenmd of course) without any lag for my daily need. That is my current phone. I am using 2nd generation phone with most current version of android. I don’t think you can do that with iOS 7 and apple device. My next phone definitely gonna be nexus 5.
Apple is on the 7th iPhone, so the S2 would compare to the iphone 4s which can run iOS7, as can the iPhone 4. It makes no sense to compare “generations” the sony Z1 is “first” (or second?) generation phone and runs circles around the S2, just as the S2 does with the second gen iPhone (the “3G”).
When the S2 was released, Apple had been making the iPhone 4 for half a year. The latter runs iOS 7 3 years later, official iOS 7. There is ABSOLUTELY no debate on this subject. Dude, 4.2 is not even latest Android version !
Retina Display, iSight camera, Facetime, 32.4 watt-hours, roughly 10 hours web surfing/videos. WHATS WRONG WITH YOU APPLE? lol xD Too much icing.
The new 128 GB iPad model is impressive capacity wise…
Yes. I think Android manufacturers like Samsung are also capable of that (Samsung probably manufactures the storage for the iPad). They are just afraid not enough people will buy it and think it’s not worth it to produce. iPad sells like crazy so its practical enough for Apple to offer a higher capacity.
we can use SD cards in Samsung tablets!
It’s not the same thing. SD cards are slow, much less reliable and limited to given usages.
Android all the way
I’d go for the Note 10.1 (2014 Edition). It’s a Swiss knife!
For me it comes down to which “ecosystem” you prefer as well as the money you are willing to spend for such a device. A couple of years ago i was a hardcore fanboy Apple user. Eventually i “woke up” and realized that Apple is charging you way too much for what they offer, and to me thats unacceptable.
Jelly Bean is a much better OS than iOS and i think so KitKat will be. If Google would organize a better app store and offered a vanilla experience to all users (like Cyanogenmod is about to do), we wouldn’t even have to bother with Apple’s products anymore.
You can buy a Nexus 7 32GB AND a Nexus 7 16GB for the same price together as one Ipad Mini 32GB. Actually you will have a dollar left over. And the N7 has mostly better or at least equal specs. And it’s already been out about four months.
Other than that fact, the new Mini seems not bad, with the new high res screen. I do like that Apple at least offers larger storage options, though they charge a killing for it ($100 more for just an extra 16GB is the worst). Wish Google would follow suit with their Moto X and Nexus phones. I’d pay $100 extra for 64GB.
Note 10.1 >> Nexus 7 > LG Pad > iPad Air > iPad Mini
I would put LG Pad before Nexus 7.
Why. Does 7.9 in tab have way more ppi then 9.7 in tab? ipad air loses potentional buyers…>.>
It’s because a 7.9 tab is held closer to one’s face
Let’s get this ”64-bit processor = improved performance nonsense on iPhones” now. The main benefit of using 64 bit architecture is to get over the 32-bit’s current 4 GB RAM limitation. 32-bit software cannot be fully optimised to work on 64-bit processors and you will see no tangible boost in speed or performance from the 64-bit processor in the A7 SoC since the vast majority of iOS apps are optimised for 32-bit architecture. The boost in speed that Apple is claiming comes from the phone’s overall improved ability to better handle 32-bit software and not the processor’s 64-bit status. Putting a 64-bit processor in phone with 1GB RAM is akin to putting a turbo charged engine on a horse and carriage system.
But no, Apple is doing this to push the envelope over 4GB, they’re going to have 6 and 8B ram devices now!
Wait, what’s that, they all only have 1GB, not even the 2012/2013 standard 2GB+? Then, ah… MORE BITS R TEH BETTERS! Everyone remembers how great the “64bit” Atari Jaguar was, right?
64 bit improves performance even without 4+ gb ram.
I just explained why it doesn’t improve performance……
You did, and I said 64 bit isn’t just about addressing ram.
It’s primary purpose is addressing RAM. We are talking about this in the context of the iPad Air and the iPhone 5s. I’d like for you to explain to me how the A7′s 64 bit processor will significantly benefit a phone with the vast majority of apps are 32-bit, has a dual-core processor and 1 GB RAM.
The primary apps, which are most commonly used apps, are 64 bit. For all the other apps, 64 bit versions may come sooner than you think. Down the road all apps on iOS will be 64 bit, and the 64 bit A7 on the 5s will allow it to be backwards compatible. You gotta have 64 bit now to be backwards compatible years down the road.
Also see wiki regarding why 64 bit is beneficial even without 4+ gb ram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit_computing (skip to “pros and cons” section)
You’re just going this for argument sake aren’t you? You don’t know what you’re taking about do you?
Man, specs mean nothing. What counts is your experience with the tablet. I prefer my Android optimized N7 (1st Gen) over anything Apple has, or ever will come out with – because I don’t like ISO7 or IOS7 or whatever they call it. I don’t like the colours. I don’t like how it transitions. I don’t like the icons, I don’t like how it multitasks, I don’t like the notification bar. I just don’t care for it. If i liked it, yeah, maybe i would consider it, but I don’t like the direction Apple is going with their mobile OS. I also don’t like how goofy their full OS seems either, but I’m not on here to talk about that. Kudos to everyone who does like their software, that’s awesome, and probably works very, very well, but it’s just not for this guy. As for the ipad having 450,000 apps? How many, really, are worth downloading? 1,500? I would dare say I’m being generous. Anything worth while on ios7, is also on Android, and vice versa. And PS- Build quality on the Nexus is excellent. I have dropped mine a few times and its still running flawlessly (minor nicks in it though :-( ).
Although I will say you still have alot of developers writing for iOS7 first the reason for which has alluded me.
umm, if this list were true I would have a galaxy note 10.1 2014 in a heartbeat.
it is 10.1” 2560×1600(WQXGA) TFT not AMOLED
Waiting for Xperia Tablet Z successor..
Where is. Xperia.tablete z ?
The iPad air will probably have 2 gigs of ram not 1 since the iPad 4 had 2 gigs of ram. There is even a very slim chance that the iPad air will have 3 gigs of ram
Brilliant article Andrew. One of the few writers that successfully comes off unbiased. Loved all that specs and comparison tables.
if only samsung removes that ugly physical buttons… my dream is a nexus 7 with note s-pen features… however, ipad is slowly becoming a sort of toy if compared to other tablets
Sorry to bust your bubble but the Note 2014 edition doesn’t have an amoled screen.
”This is the same old Apple and that means relatively minor spec revisions and tons of hype” isn’t that exactly what the new Nexus 7 is compared to the old Nexus 7? Just a better screen, thinner body, and upgraded spec? Hypocrisy, thy name is Android Central.
“but its hardware isn’t going to blow anyone away.”
Lol, same for android tablets -_-
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