Google and Samsung arguing over smartwatch conflict of interest

July 17, 2014

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Partnerships in the mobile industry can be a bit odd. Companies often have altercations and even sue each other for insane amounts of money, but ultimately they have to keep working together. Google and Samsung do relatively well in their friendship, but reports say they are not doing so well right now.

Google and Samsung are said to be arguing over their smartwatch business practices. More specifically, Google CEO Larry Page is said to not be very fond of Samsung putting more effort into their own Tizen platform than the new Android Wear ecosystem. The report claims there is a “tense private meeting” between Page and Samsung Vice Chairman Jay Y. Lee.

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It seems conflicts of interest will always be a problem. And it makes sense, Samsung is Google’s biggest partner – their new ventures and interest in Tizen are something to worry about. The problem here is that Samsung is pushing their Tizen line much stronger.

Can Google really complain much, though? For starters, they are breaking no rules, as far as we know. Google can only hope that Samsung will want to cooperate with them. It’s also important to note Samsung did release an Android Wear device… a very good one, at that.

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It does follow the same design as the Gear 2, meaning Samsung didn’t really create a completely new device to feature Google’s new wearable platform. So far the Gear Live is the most affordable Android Wear device around, and it’s not one bit inferior. In fact, some may prefer it over the LG G Watch.

This is nothing but reports, so always take them with a grain of salt. In fact, we may not even consider it a rumor; it’s more like tech gossip, to be honest. Do you think Google has the right to be upset at Samsung? Will the Korean manufacturer make any changes?

Comments

  • Evris K.

    Oh Samsung why you don’t stay on hardware production where you are good at and let the software to Google? Google knows the software better.

    • Lisandro O Oocks

      Maybe cause Google is a search engine/ad powerhouse first. Besides following your logic, Google should’ve let the software to MS or Linux.

      • http://dribbble.com/nickchamberlin Nick Chamberlin

        Uhhhh no.

      • MasterMuffin

        Uhhh no times 2.

      • Allanitomwesh

        Linux maybe,but definitely not MS

      • Thomas Dubbin

        Google makes their money off search ads, but don’t kid yourself, they ARE a software company….and one of the best around.

        • Lisandro O Oocks

          Google is ok. but let’s not pretend they’re perfect.
          My point was more on the lines that if Google didn’t branch out to software in the 2000s they wouldn’t be where they are now. If Samsung wants to invest on software who’s to say they won’t be good at it in 5 years.

          • Michael Samsara

            Google – and Larry Page – are making the same mistake all humongous corporations/governments/autocratic dictatorships have made since time began.

            They think that just because they are bigger than big – they have the power to get away with dictating to we – the “little people” what we will say, can, do and think – and anything that affronts their self-serving, self-designated stewardship of us – and which might in any way lessen their profit or power margins – must be eliminated – sometimes with extreme prejudice.

            Methinks Mr. Page and Google are getting a bit too big for their britches.

    • tiger

      Because their profits are dropping faster than ever….

  • moew

    Eff Samsung, never again IMHO… also a smartwatch that doesn’t run android, who cares?

    • n900mixalot

      Tens of thousands of happy Gear owners.

      • http://dribbble.com/nickchamberlin Nick Chamberlin

        Correction: jealous gear owners

        • n900mixalot

          Jealous of what? Crippled watches that don’t even have an official way to customize watch faces yet?! That was available within a WEEK of the other Tizen and Galaxy Gear being released. That’s BASIC.

          • Thomas Dubbin

            The difference is that Google has a track record of launching products with a minimal feature set, and constantly improving reliability, speed, features etc.
            Samsung focuses on the feature set, and creates software that is bloated, slow, and unreliable compared to google’s offerings.

  • VULGARCITO

    Why isn’t that clock face included with our Samsung Live watches?

    • n900mixalot

      Because GOOGLE locked it down.

      • Benjamin Pavel

        I’m pretty sure that picture was taken by the AndroidA team and that Watchface is THIRD-PARTY app so It’s not because “Google locked it down”. :)

        • n900mixalot

          A third party app to install a watch face that circumvents Google’s attempt to prevent customized watch faces? Pretty locked down. In fact a lot of those apps have glitches that cause cards to show up oddly.

          These apps are a workaround because Google locked Android Wear down. You can’t argue against it. They’ve even said “we will allow custom watch faces.” It’s been in the news. We will implies that they do not yet. And they don’t.

          • T.J.

            They didn’t lock anything down. They just haven’t finished their Android Wear API yet. It’s not Google’s fault a couple OEMs released their watches before Google had all the software in place.

  • Stan marsh

    I’m sure Samsung busted you Americans have such large penis and us Koreans have very small penis we are no threat .

    • Dan the Man

      Lol bought time that one come up.

  • The-Sailor-Man

    “And it makes sense, Samsung is Google’s biggest partner – their new ventures and interest in Tizen are something to worry about.”
    NONSENSE.
    Samsung is biggest in Android, NOT because Google choose them. Right?
    Google have no rights to tell them what to do with Tizen. Not to Samsung, not to anyone else using Android, And Google don’t do it, Who cares so much about this smartwatches-BS? ROTFL
    This intrigues that apple propaganda make , are not new. iPropaganda die to make Samsung and Google enemy. LOL . But is this site Cult Of Mac or Appleinsider??
    Google and Samsung could meet because of many reasons. One is , that Google want to take from Samsung many features and put them on stock Android. This might cost something.

  • terpski

    I hope the crappy Samsung watch fails horribly.

    Samsung , STAY AWAY from software! Your scatterbrained engineers are just not that good at it.

    • The-Sailor-Man

      “Samsung , STAY AWAY from software! Your scatterbrained engineers are just not that good at it. ”

      Google obviously don’t agree with you iboy. LOL

      • n900mixalot

        Pichai: We loooove what Samsung has done with Android.

        • The-Sailor-Man

          Yup. And there is the prove.
          Google is actually taking many Samsung software features to Android.
          Apple propaganda and menial tech media, couldn’t make Google blind, like you iboy.

    • n900mixalot

      Again Samsung DID stay away from software and guess what? You get the Gear Live. Crippled. Google has no place to complain. They BUILT the software and locked it down. Samsung could have put a camera and speaker and remote control IR blaster but you know Google shut that down.

      • T.J.

        They shut those down because they’re stupid ideas.

        • wat

          An IR blaster sounds like a great idea to me

        • _X_

          The IR blaster is cool and the speaker is awesome when you are at home while your phone is charging and somebody calls (dont have to go and fetch the devoce on charge but simply answer the call)

          • n900mixalot

            Exactly. I have to run across the house to answer the phone with this stupid Gear Live. With my Galaxy Gear I can just answer it from wherever I am.

        • n900mixalot

          And yet Google is saying Samsung didn’t do anything clever with the watch. A speaker isn’t a stupid idea when you are driving or biking and have to look at your watch or your phone to read a text message. And people really seem to like remote shutter … it’s lame. With Samsung phones the camera uses voice command.

    • Tran Nguyen

      I don’t know why you say that. Have you seen the Galaxy Note 3 yet? Third-party software do better than Google software. Google only have some good things : Google search, Gmail, Google Map, Google Now and Google Translate. Timely and another apps was bought by Google. Another thing, independent is better than depending on. Third-party software developers were limited by Android versions.

    • The-Sailor-Man

      “Samsung , STAY AWAY from software! Your scatterbrained engineers are just not that good at it”
      But luckily Google don’t think like you. And take many GREAT software features from Samsung’s TW, to Android.

  • Gagandeep Singh

    Why Samsung is trying to go in other direction always with Tizen ? We have to admit that Google has every bit of control on all of our digital lives(except few exceptions). They have data(Most valuable asset in today’s world). Now android is being used by majority of world.
    For me Android has not saturated but it is just started now.
    Remember , there is talk about internet of things.Google just release OS for wear, TV , auto.They own nest, Google glass.Oh common,they have their feet everywhere.They have created ecosystem.
    Imagine tomorrow they every device around you knows about your habits(when do you wake up ?, sleep ? or go for office etc). Now they are presenting with relevant information at right time.Now it is bit of messy that some internet machine(Google) knows this much about you.But you cannot help it to much extent, sure you can limit extent of it but cannot deny everything.Because everybody wants internet as extension to their lives.
    Point is Samsung cannot get this much data, So even if they build their own ecosystem then what ?Will it be successful ?I think they are fragmenting market with another ecosystem(which may be bad for end user/consumer). They are mainly hardware company so they should enjoy profits by sticking to Android.
    I am not Google fanboy but this seems that Tizen may not be as successful as Android.So they should make peace with Google and Consumers.

    • n900mixalot

      Make peace how? By not creating their own software so consumers have a choice?

      • Gagandeep Singh

        I am not saying that they should not create their own software.They should , but keeping in mind that it will work in future.Take example of forked version by Nokia . How well that is going ? How much do you appreciate that X os ? I do’nt.
        These kind of experiments may create confusion in consumer’s mind.They may end up buying product(X2) which may not have future.

        They should create their own parallel world if they are sure that It will work , But as per current scenario it does not seem to be happening.
        So why not work with each other and accomplish the final goal , that is to make money.

        • jokesonu

          i have to agree with n900mixalot though why not let them make their own OS, samsung delves into microsoft OS too. it’s not like samsung takes money from google to make it (they have more actually) and they are not violating their agreement with google (unlike say sony who has the nerve to join rockstar)

        • The-Sailor-Man

          They have peace with Google, you ignorant.
          Samsung is not leaving Google, and Google HAVE NO RIGHTS to tell Samsung or anyone else who use Android – what to do and what not to do. And Google is not doing this.
          Get it????

          Google are even taking many SOFTWARE GREAT FEATURES, from TW to stock Android,
          Do not believe BS iInrigues like this article.

    • tiger

      There is a huge difference b/w market share and profits. And this is where Samsung and Google differs. Google likes to claim that Android dominates the market…and it is true. But, Samsung sees things differently. Samsung sees Apple. Apple has a much smaller market share, yet they dominate in profits and revenues despite playing only the high end game. Everything Apple makes goes back to them. Samsung suffers from having profits being diverted to Google. Samsung makes profits on sale of device…after that, they lose post-sales profits to Google.

      Tizen represents what Samsung wants…a relatively closed system where they make hardware AND software…where their own app store profits goes straight to them. Just like the way Apple does things.

      Guess what else? Samsung with Tizen does not have to compete with the cheap Chinese phones that are now booming all across China and Europe. Samsung with Google has to directly compete with these Chinese phones that are killing their profit margins.

      Look at it this way…despite the world (and USA) going to pre-paid or no contract post-paid, iPhone remains a top seller (individually) and Apple profit margins are as high as ever…sure, iPhone may lose to Android if you count all the Android devices out there from cheap crap to high end. But, market share does NOT mean profits…as many Android OEMs are finding out. Samsung sales way more phones than Apple…but Apple profits are equal (if not exceed) to that of Samsung. And Samsung profits are dropping due to cheap Android phones (from China) coming out that are killing their low end phones. This is HUGELY troubling for Samsung (and other top Android OEMs). Dealing with Nexus phones is one thing, but dealing with Chinese cut-rate (but good) phones is another!

      Tizen is the ONLY way Samsung can continue to make a huge profit (like Apple) in the future. IF Samsung continues this path (staying with Android), then they will lose profits…become LG…or much worst, HTC!

      Samsung is huge…they are NOT stupid. They did not get where they are at today by being ignorant. They are much smarter than you internet commandos think.

      • jokesonu

        Apple does not dominate in revenues and in profits there are some quarters last year where samsung overtook them

        • tiger

          No. BUT even if you were right, look at this year….

          It is crystal clear that Chinese cheap phone revolution has little to no effect on Apple…despite what the media keep warning Apple about. THIS is what Samsung wants….

          • jokesonu

            official earnings are not reported for Q2 and there are 2 quarters to go, but every quarter samsung makes more than 50 B in revenue. that’s why sites call them the biggest tech company by revenue (but not profits obviously apple takes that)

          • tiger

            Ok…agreed there. Profits is what you want, no?

            Actually, Samsung just sent out pre-emptive letters to shareholders warning them of poor profits….

          • jokesonu

            i know about the profits but they’re not that bad. they will make approximately 6.1-6.3 B in net profit compared to last year which was 6.96 B net profit (assuming the tax reductions on income will not be that big this year).

          • tiger

            But profits are heading down…with no signs that it will go back up.

          • jokesonu

            for Q2 yes, but Q1 this year their net profit was up. and im kind of certain Q3 net profit this year will not be as high as the record Q3 profit last year.

          • tiger

            Galaxy F and Note 4 are the last hopes for Q3 & 4. And I doubt that F will help much. Note 4 is their best hope.

            All the while, cheap Chinese phones continue to eat at samsung bottom line.

          • jokesonu

            even if they make the galaxy F it will be in limited quantities im willing to bet. They should just slightly lower the prices of the regular S5 IMO and improve the quality of the mid to low end devices.
            if the won will become weaker for the rest of the year, im willing to bet their Q4 2014 will be better than last year

      • Gagandeep Singh

        Hey Tiger,
        Windows is also unique , no one other than Microsoft create windows OS.How successful it is ? and we know the reason Why ?Same prolems will come for Tizen

        I am not saying that Tizen cannot be successful but there are so many “ifs and buts” for Tizen to be successful.I am not against Samsung as phone manufacturer(Yes I hate Samsung as “EMPLOYER” , different story) . Current conditions do not suggest your theory.As Tizen phone is getting delayed again and again.

    • The-Sailor-Man

      “So they should make peace with Google ”
      They have peace with Google, you ignorant. Samsung is not leaving Google, and Google HAVE NO RIGHTS to tell Samsung or anyone else who use Android – what to do and what not to do. Get it????
      This intrigues between Samsung and Google are made by apple’s propaganda and the menial media. Don’t believe this “article”.
      Google even gonna take many SOFTWARE GREAT FEATURES, from TW to stock Android.
      Wake up,

  • Balraj

    Maybe Google wants top oems to push android wear instead of other software
    So Larry thinks tizen might eat into its revenue
    Just speculation but to be frank
    Smart watches are waste of money n time

    • n900mixalot

      Tizen won’t eat into anything. It isn’t half of what Android is … on phones. But on watches it is awesome. And on washing machines.

      • Balraj

        I was referring to smart wear and not smartphone
        Its a new market……

  • indio7777

    Tizen. That’s fine.

    But in a future where everything talks to everything else and is truly useful, it won’t be Tizen or iOS that offers the interoperability.

    • n900mixalot

      Actually, it IS. Tizen is lighter than Android on the Gears that’s why they have the same form factor as the Gear Live and battery size, but last longer. Android is a heavy OS. And Tizen and Android communicate just fine. Problem is though, Google won’t let their proprietary apps work well with it. And that’s fine. But inconvenient.

  • T.J.

    I don’t think Google should be telling Samsung what to do. But then again, I don’t think Tizen is a threat at all. Let Samsung have their little hobby and Google will make the big boy products.

  • onthecouchagain

    I’m just here to say that Android Authority has become one of the worse designed websites I visit.

    • Gagandeep Singh

      ;)

    • MasterMuffin

      Don’t know about desktop, but after their latest maintenance, the mobile site is slightly broken

      • Jonathan TAM

        ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH… its happening to me too… simply looks horrible

  • Shark Bait

    Its a free market after all, competition is good! Android exist as it does today without BlackBerry and the iPhone.

    Samsung can push its platform, but after all its inferior, the market will decide that! Hopefully Samsung’s will see it will make more money in one year than it will ever make form tizen. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship, I don’t get why there’s so much resistance…..

    • wat

      Android apps run on Tizen and the OS is the same really, everyone steals everyone’s features now

    • _X_

      The reason I think Samsung is pushing for Tizen is because Google is
      pushing manufactures to adopt stock Android hence the only difference between
      android phones will be their designs as everybody will use hardware that will
      be similar. Samsung will have Android but will also have Tizen that will make
      it different from the rest

  • wat

    Google are shitting it no doubt. Given noone else makes money off android if Samsung drop it for Tizen then the other OEMs have no reason to stick with Android over Tizen.

  • wezi427

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  • shutz

    I like Google but If the rumor is true they simply have no right to demand anything from oem’s

  • tiger

    There is a huge difference b/w market share and profits. And this is where Samsung and Google differs. Google likes to claim that Android dominates the market…and it is true. But, Samsung sees things differently. Samsung sees Apple. Apple has a much smaller market share, yet they dominate in profits and revenues despite playing only the high end game. Everything Apple makes goes back to them. Samsung suffers from having profits being diverted to Google. Samsung makes profits on sale of device…after that, they lose post-sales profits to Google.

    Tizen represents what Samsung wants…a relatively closed system where they make hardware AND software…where their own app store profits goes straight to them. Just like the way Apple does things.

    Guess what else? Samsung with Tizen does not have to compete with the cheap Chinese phones that are now booming all across China and Europe. Samsung with Google has to directly compete with these Chinese phones that are killing their profit margins.

    Look at it this way…despite the world (and USA) going to pre-paid or no contract post-paid, iPhone remains a top seller (individually) and Apple profit margins are as high as ever…sure, iPhone may lose to Android if you count all the Android devices out there from cheap crap to high end. But, market share does NOT mean profits…as many Android OEMs are finding out. Samsung sells way more phones than Apple…but Apple profits are equal (if not exceed) to that of Samsung. And Samsung profits are dropping due to cheap Android phones (from China) coming out that are killing their low end phones. This is HUGELY troubling for Samsung (and other top Android OEMs). Dealing with Nexus phones is one thing, but dealing with Chinese cut-rate (but good) phones is another!

    Tizen is the ONLY way Samsung can continue to make a huge profit (like Apple) in the future. IF Samsung continues this path (staying with Android), then they will lose profits…become LG…or much worst, HTC!

    Samsung is huge…they are NOT stupid. They did not get where they are at today by being ignorant. They are much smarter than you internet commandos think.

    Look at what Samsung has to give up so far in their fight with Google…KNOX security. Samsung is angry. Apple just signed a huge deal with IBM…and this places Apple front and center for enterprises…further strengthens the dominant position Apple is already in with businesses. This was what Samsung and KNOX was supposed to do. Apple has beaten Android WHERE IT COUNTS. Android may have market share, but more than half of that market share provides zero profits. Samsung is hurting…because despite being #1 Android OEM, they are losing profits from year to year…and as above, Chinese is slowly eroding into their shares. They cannot get into enterprises because Android is too open. They can’t get anything going with their own apps on Android because no one uses them when you have the PLAY store everywhere.

    Frankly, TIZEN is their future. Their ONLY option IMO of surviving and making profits. Samsung has planned this for over 2 years of forking Android. They knew this day was coming long before internet bloggers even had a clue. Court documents showed it.

    • tiger

      One more thing…right now, Samsung has to design a chip that works best with Android…and many times, they have to use Qualcomm Snapdragons to power their devices.

      Wouldn’t it be great to design their own chip to work best with their own software? Optimization at its best. This has been what Apple has done best…Apple hardware (in the past) may not have been class-leading, but the user experience was class-leading thru software optimization to hardware. Samsung never had this kind of vertical integration.

      • AnonGuy

        Samsung uses QC cause they have integrated LTE modems, not because of any other reason. Get a clue.

        • tiger

          Your statement only applied to Exynos 4.

          Actually you need to get a clue.

          Exynos 5 does support LTE on all frequencies (20 bands). Confirmed by Samsung itself.

          It was more of a supply issue that has since gone away.

  • Luka Mlinar

    I am starting to dislike Samsung more than Apple.

    • n900mixalot

      I’m sure Samsung doesn’t need your approval.

      • sinister

        he hates samsung because motorola cant compete with samsung

        • Luka Mlinar

          Not a fanboy of any brand, un like some :P

          • sinister

            of course you’re not a fan of moto right…..

  • Adon

    just do it already. spice things up. If theres a line of smartwear which should be interesting it Apple. It MIGHT just cause a very nice whirlwood. Then again Apples lol are so over priced.