The Galaxy S2, S3, and Note 2 all use various versions of the Exynos 4 chip.

The Galaxy S2, S3, and Note 2 all use various versions of the Exynos 4 chip.

It was just yesterday that we read an interesting report from South Korea, claiming that Samsung has Exynos 5 Octa issues, the kind that pressured the company to look at Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs for its upcoming Galaxy S4 flagship products.

At the time, we wondered if it’s possible for Samsung to completely take Exynos chips out of the equation – after all the company has other powerful SoCs in the Exynos in addition to the newly launched Exynos 5 Octa – and rely solely on new Qualcomm processors.

We don’t have a definitive answer to that question yet, but we do have a secondary report today that seems to confirm the former. That is, if the second one is not based on the first one in the first place.

This time around we have Piper Jaffray analyst Gus Richard talking about the Samsung-Qualcomm business relationship in view of the Galaxy S4 launch.

Richard says basically the same things: that the Exynos 5 Octa has issues that determined Samsung to postpone the launch of the Galaxy S4 and look at Qualcomm for chips, a business decision that will benefit the latter:

“We believe Samsung’s Galaxy S4 has slipped and the Galaxy S3 has been in production a quarter longer than expected,” writes Richard. “We believe the S4 is being delayed primarily due to power issues with the company’s eight-core Exynos Octa […] we believe the company is likely to shift more to external sources. We believe QCOM will pick up more of Samsung’s S4 business.”

Analysts don’t always get it right and we’ll have to wait for the product to become official before we can draw up any conclusion. Samsung will surely not admit that there’s anything wrong with the Exynos 5 Octa, and will surely offer a different explanation in case Qualcomm will indeed be providing the Galaxy S4 chips.

Finally, we will remind you that not so long ago, another report revealed that a Samsung official confirmed anonymously that the Galaxy Note 3 will have the Exynos 5 Octa under the hood, and at the time we wondered why the Galaxy S4 wasn’t mentioned either. After all wouldn’t execs with inside information ready to spill some beans on the company’s future products also mention one of the hottest upcoming devices in case said device were to come with an Exynos 5 Octa CPU?

  • Roberto Tomás

    or!! or … or (or?) there is no Galaxy Note 3, instead they are “merging them” by renaming the Note line as the next Galaxy S — you know, going pen all-the-way.
    so um, when does this get resolved anyway?

  • I doubt the Galaxy S4 was ever slated to have the Exynos 5 Octa SoC at all. It will run the 5 Quad surely. Samsung wouldn’t have spent all the R&D time and resources getting that chip ready if they were never going to use it?

    • Roberto Tomás

      that’s good except, it begs us to accept a Samsung that does not put its best phone cpu in its best phone, instead reserving it for the Note, a secondary line up until that point. (voted you up)

      • AndroidBrian

        The galaxy phones are there best selling phones. The Galaxy Note is always a better phone spec wise.

    • If Exynos 5 Quad is essentially running the same four A15 cores as the Exynos 5 Octa then perhaps they are also running into problems with that.

      I’m just guessing here but I was just thinking that if the Octa is meant to able to switch to the A7s to save battery, and yet this is not producing the desired result, then there could be some sort of problem with load detection making the A15s stay on and draining power when the A7s should have already taken over. Maybe a load detection issue like that would also prevent the Exynos 5 Quad from reducing its speed/shutting off unrequired A15 cores under minimal load?

      • That is a good point, something I didn’t consider. With little news coming out about the 5 Quad recently it is possible the chip didn’t make the cut, in which case they were pushing for the Octa.

    • Bone

      It was to have the Exynos 5 quad, but then they realized no matter what, there’s too much heat and drain, so that’s when they looked into the big.LITTLE architecture, barely out to adopt at the time and not ready for mass production for at least half a year.

  • Игорь Николаев

    samsung wants to sold 100.000.000 Galaxy s4 in this year, if he equip s4 with qualcomm 600, its be fail .Samsung need to equip s4 with octa, 5440 or qualcomm 800 cpu

    • kascollet

      Certainly not. People don’t care who actually produces the chip.

  • Wouldn’t it be funny if the end to the Samsung and LG lawsuits a few weeks back happened not because of some hippy let’s all get along/brotherhood of man thing, but because Samsung needed LG’s octa-core (the one in the forthcoming Optimus G Pro) to step in for the problematic Exynos octa in the Galaxy S4?
    Maybe this idea is mad, but from a marketing point of view “octa-core” sounds blingy, and the average user doesn’t really mind who makes the SoC, as long as they have a great performing S4 with the cool new features. Octa-core and 1080p are this years cool new features and GS4 isn’t gonna be first to market with 1080p, so….

  • If Samsung don’t use the Exynos 5 in the GSIV, is because it is not ready at the time that they NEED to launch the GSIV

    Most people who are buying the Xperia Z, HTC One, Nexus 4 and Optimus G, are people who will not buy the Galaxy S IV (I Know that many people who are reading this probably will have at least 2 of these phones. But you are exceptions).

    So Samsung has to hurry to launch the GSIV.

    If the Exynos 5 Octa is not ready, with sufficient efficiency and performance to compete with the Snapdragon 600, Samsung will have to choose between delaying the launch of the GSIV until their processor is ready, and lose several potential customers every day until that, or use the competition processor (Snapdragon 600), which is the best processor available AT THE MOMENT.

    What’s the point of launch the Galaxy SIV with the Exynos 5 Octa, if the performance and consumption are not at pair with the results of the S-600? It will be a device that will disappoint fans of the brand, and will not have the same sales performance of the predecessor. And it is something that the stock market don’t like…

  • thats why ama stay with my NOTE 2 until NOTE 3 comes out :D

  • sid

    no exynos 5 octa no s4 waiting for note 3

  • Bone

    The first reports of the Exynos 5’s heat and power issues surfaced around November and that’s quite late from a production standpoint, and if they only contacted Qualcomm around Christmas, there must be a panic at Samsung because final HW usually requires half a year for SW developement, testing and pre-production before launch.

    Also surprising were the reports of fullHD panel issues as if Samsung got a little lazy and underestimated the arrival of A15 architecture and 1080p screens which is strange considering the rivals were long known of preparing both. In the end, they realized that an Exynos 5 quad clocked at 1,9GHz generates so much heat and power that they had to switch to the big.LITTLE architecture, but it was too late to optimize that for the S4 launch. Again strange that this came to light around Christmas.

    In the end, if the SIV comes out with the SD 600 or even 800, better for HW uniformity, but since everything is controlled around the SoC I can see major SW optimization issues on launch as well as inconsistent AMOLED screens and possibly some features missing that were designed to work with the Exynos chip. All this from the largest and most forward thinking company around is very very lazy.

  • Benmartin1974

    I’d been thinking of ordering a galaxy note for a couple of weeks. I read plenty of reviews and this one was useful , I received my order last month and am very happy. I Would highly recommend to anyone still unsure.

  • brendan soliwoda

    I have been saying from the beginning of this rumor about the Exynos 5 Octa that they weren’t going to use it in the S4. It always seemed highly unlikely for them to make that kind of jump from quad to octa (even though it’s two quad cores inside one chip). I always thought they would save this for the note 3 or the S5. But yea, it’ll most likely be the Exynos 5 quad in there, which is still pretty beastly, so i’m not complaining.

  • Matt V

    the s4 will get the qualcomm 600 soc, and won’t wow in any department. HTC takes first prize this year.

  • Matt V

    the s4 will get the qualcomm 600 soc, and won’t wow in any department. HTC takes first prize this year.