Samsung is apparently not done optimizing its handsets to behave differently when running a benchmark app, with the Galaxy Note 3 also receiving the same treatment.
Must Read: Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Review
A new report from Ars Technica offers more details on how Samsung is intentionally boosting the performance of the U.S. Galaxy Note 3 to score better than its competitors in benchmark apps – performance improvements of up to 20% (even 50% in one case) have been observed by the publication during tests.
One of the things Samsung was proven to have done to improve scores was to prevent the phone’s processor cores from idling when running a benchmark app – instead they are all kept running at maximum speed. But the company is also suspected to have improved GPU performance and altered the display frame rate when running benchmark apps.
Combined, these action result in much better performance reports for the Galaxy Note 3, which is able to score consistently better than the LG G2 in similar tests, despite both devices using the same processor.
The publication was able to fool the Galaxy Note 3 into treating benchmark apps like normal apps by repackaging the benchmark apps and replacing their official names with a different name. That way the Galaxy Note 3 failed to detect them as benchmark apps and a “regular” benchmark test was performed – apparently the phone only checks for certain app names to trigger the CPU boost.
Interestingly, the Galaxy Note 3 still scores better than the LG G2 in same tests once Samsung’s boost is removed, but not by as much as with the boost effects on.
Not too long ago, it was discovered that Samsung’s Galaxy S4 is also offering a boosted performance in benchmark apps – that time around a GPU boost was found. Because Samsung explained back then that the same boosting effect can be found with core apps such as “the S Browser, Gallery, Camera [and] video player,” in order to improve battery life and heat dissipation on the Galaxy S4, Ars Technica investigated whether the Galaxy Note 3 performance boost can be found in other Samsung apps for similar reasons.
The publication discovered that CPU boosting is only set to occur for benchmark apps:
The file we ended up with is called “DVFSHelper.java,” and it contains a hard-coded list of every package that is affected by the special CPU boosting mode. According to this file, the function is usedexclusively for benchmarks, and it seems to cover all the popular ones. There’s Geekbench, Quadrant, Antutu, Linpack, GFXBench, and even some of Samsung’s own benchmarks. The two functions applied to this list seem to be “PACKAGES_FOR_BOOST_ALL_ADJUSTMENT,” which is no doubt the CPU booster, and “PACKAGES_FOR_LCD_FRAME_RATE_ADJUSTMENT,” which makes it sound like the phone is also altering the display frame rate.
In the gallery below, you can check out images from Ars Technica that show how the Galaxy Note 3’s processors fail to idle and run at full speed when a benchmark app is used, the “Stealthbench 3” Geekbench 3 version used to fool the Galaxy Note 3 into treating a benchmark app like a regular app but also benchmark results (single- and multi-core) for the Galaxy Note 3 (with and without booster), the Optimus G2 and Galaxy S4.
With all that in mind, we can only wonder why a mobile player like Samsung still feels the need to employ such tactics – whether there’s a different reason this kind of performance boost happens during benchmark tests, Samsung should at least have explained it beforehand.
At the end of the day, benchmarks alone will not help sell handsets – and in Samsung’s case that shouldn’t even be a problem considering that some of its flagship handsets sell themselves.
Finally, the Galaxy Note 10.1 – 2014 edition may have a similar benchmark performance boost as the Galaxy Note 3, the publication notes.
While we wait for Samsung to explain everything, let’s hear what you think about Samsung’s benchmark cooking practices in the comments below!
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ironically, even using the stealthbench, samsung still tops the lg g2
but cant top a certain dualcore :)
u mean the iphone 5s? sure with its low res, less pixel dense screen and a less demanding OS which still has no true multitasking, and that 64bit gimmick which is not even worthwhile. maybe there is some point in what u are saying
i meant geekbench scores… the rest – samsung is eating dust. read annandtech review of 5s. read something. and then come back
i mean to be better in almost every benchmark on the planet, beating quadcores clocket 2x higher takes a little something. has something to do with reading. i see why you like samsung
snapdragon doesnt have anything to do with samsung. cores dont mean squat as regards performance, and btw i dont wear samsung on my sleeve as much as you do for apple.
do remember the adreno 330 hasnt been beaten as yet by apple 5s
what about exynos?
in some cases, it was… offscreen.
but bear in mind the physical sizes of phones we’re comparing, note 3 vs iphone 5s
you got me wrong, im wearing anti samsung sticker, not apple
its kinda like churchill: democracy is the worse, if you leave out everything else…
and why cant they get iphone like touch response? what the hell? it would be much better if i could choose between mobiles, but the non-ios experience still lacks.
“but the non-ios experience still lacks.”
funny, can say the same about IOS too – there’s a laundry list of things that the apple phones dont do
you dont get it. im not talking about functions. iphones do everything i need them to. i dont need extra functions. i need polish on current ones. i need them to look good and work great. android cant even get touch response right. who cares about air gestures, filesystem and what not
people started buying android because it was cheap. but android is just a gateway drug. after you try android, youll want the real one… not the cheap one. statistics are backing me, care to dare?
“android cant even get touch response right.”
if its down to perception you’ll only find IOS as the perfect one. your cure is the iphone. very odd that millions of people dont find android touch imperfect.
care to throw statics of “imperfect touch” affecting millions & users moving to apple because of it ?
go to macrumors, and type touch response into the search. first article
“go to macrumors”
yes, please. and do not troll other forums. there are other forums too – like CULT of mac etc. you really belong there.
“people started buying android because it was cheap. ”
bawhahahaha. you should stick to apple forums, quit trolling around here
thats correct. do you want the statistics? MOST of bought android smartphones are below 200 dollars, without contract. how many galaxies s4 are sold? 4-5 times less than iphones. other flagships arent worth mentioning: bellow 5 million a year. the rest, mostly cheap asian whitebox manufacturers with samsung trying to overcome them. apple isnt even competing with that segment of market. ill quote them: ‘we’re not in the junk business’
“other flagships arent worth mentioning: bellow 5 million a year”
Sony sold a truckload of Z series – all of them are variations of the same flagship. Z itself did a 5 million within the first 3 months.
HTC one sold more than 5 million.
apple can never compete on price, even if they tried. their 5cheap model costs slightly lower than some flagship phones
MediaTek/MT6589 based low end phone come pretty close to iphone 5 and beats the iphone 4s comfortably in performance.
these phones sell by the truckloads in india and china, and make up for the large numbers. nothing to be sneezed at.
android high end phones are junk, let alone low end ones. you need to throw 4 cores cpus with 3gb ram at it just to run barely fluently…
apple sucks goatballs, can’t do half the things in that teeny screen. plus you’ve gotta pay 25 bucks for a lousy cable! lol. they tried peddling last year’s junk and no one bought it around in asian countries. the only place the ladies phone doing well is the states, everywhere else, its barely holding on
” 4-5 times less than iphones”
note 2 and galaxy s4 sold like 25-30 million phones in q2. so you are saying iphone 5s would sell 120-150 million by december ?
you cannot quote opening sales. you need to show year based number. you cant, because samsung and most of the others dont release them. but based on analytics data, iphone outsold every other flagship (one, not all combined) at least at 1:4 ratio. half of all phones sold currently in usa and japan only are iphones. most of those are iphone 5s. how many would they sell if they could build enough?
“how many would they sell if they could build enough?”
the same. apple having production issues. rofl. that is all they can sell.
ok, this was the last drop. you havent brought a SINGLE thing to this conversation. all you can do is make fun of apple.
if you really wanna know about consumer tehnology, change your stance and remove your bias. then start reading, learning and applying common sense. youll notice that your bias has suddenly shifted to the other camp. and for good reasons.
the ONLY advantage android has over os is certain functionality. functionality almost nobody uses. and of course the price.
the CONS are endless
“all you can do is make fun of apple. ”
odd that you say it! since you’ve been the one trying to pontificating around here
“the CONS are endless”
you should really look into a mirror. lol. apple has shitloads of limitations
“youll notice that your bias has suddenly shifted to the other camp. and for good reasons.”
failed shameless proselytizing attempt. you are amusing
driving more pixels certainly takes a lot more horsepower. that said, apple is onto the next cycle, samsung will be ahead of apple in the coming months ( apple were behind samsung, the day before they launched 5s)
im smart enough to differentiate between offscreen and onscreen benchmarks. but you guys still dont get the point… imagine 5 inch iphone with quadcore. how would that fare in benchmarks?
bear in mind, im not talking about ux, touch response, android. thats not even comparable to iphone. im just talking about benchmarks where samsung can compete, barely… hence huge screens and quad cores that apparently dont do much good…
just wondering where apple stood the day before 5s was launched. against snapdragon 800. forget about samsung.
since, Apple fans don’t get it.. the real battle between speed will be a true comparison when Genuine iOS7 OS can be put on the Android device. then, we can truly see which beats the pants off of what.
well, geekbench scores should be enough
but android, it wouldnt run good if you put it on intel xeon, ssd and 2000mhz ram…
virtual machine everybody. try runnin windows inside windows ;)
i call that a FUNDAMENTAL flaw
“ARM and Intel already support Android 4.2″
How to install Android 4.2.2 on PC
it would lag and stutter
Android 4.2 OS. works fine on PC, some applications only work on ARM
8GB RAM, SSD (almost a TB of drive space), published Mar 18, 2013:
i bet it still stutters and lags. like note 3
and no, you cant see that over 25fps video
i5s on ios7: “Lag Lag Lag..”
skip to: 19:00 to 19:30
and by ‘the coming months’ you mean april?
i’d like to see the benchmarks of iphone5 from the day snapdragon 800 was released till the a day before 5s was released
this are off-screen benchmark not on-screen , off-screen benchmark are at full resolution at 1080p.
first up, the contest is between powerVR and Qualcomm, and powerVR couldn’t best the adreno 330 in Egypt offscreen.
what , look at anandtech tech dude , you are wrong.
this one shows the qualcomm one ahead of iphone5s. iphone will not release another phone till the next september, and you already have it behind in GPU benchmarks ?
youre still here?
we are comparing a 4 inch phone with a 6 inch one. the first one is faster according to benchmarks. the second one is quad core with double the frequency in a huge device with a huge tdp. get a grip man! apple apparently has more expertise in designing chips than qualcomm which is ridiculous but true.
what if apple releases 4.5 inch phone? or even 5? how would that one fare?
we should be comparing 5s with htc mini and s4 mini. even they are larger. try puting snapdragon 800 inside one of them…
jesus, people really dont get it
either qualcomm makes shit chips or android has so much overhead its rendering top of the line HUGE 6′ flagships slower then a tiny 4′ iphone. i bet its both
how does how many inches matter other than maybe user preferences ? a 1080p is the same for performance regardless whether its a tablet or a 4.3 inch phone.
the issue of battery backup for those devices powering those massive or tiny screens is another thing.
“try puting snapdragon 800 inside one of them”
there’s the sony xperia z1f for you.
the rest of the comments, you are ridiculously hilarious!
TDP – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power
READ, its good for you…
z1 is a 5 inch phone. that means much power hungry cpu can go inside because the size of the phone allows much bigger battery and hotter cpu. think laptop vs desktop. and even with all that, a7 is faster.
arm is recommending that their designs should be clocked around 1.5 ghz. samsung etc are clocking it at 2.3 ghz. whos crazy here?
the things you dont get are often hilarious.
so in the end, a tiny 4 inch phone leaps over HUGE 6and more inch smartphones which are greatly overclocked by they manufacturers.
please read anandtech review of the iphone 5s, all of it. you seem to lack understanding of basic concepts.
what im trying to say is that iphone should NEVER be faster then a 5 inch phone, let alone 6 inch. but apparently someone isnt doing their job good, or at least not good as apple
i know what TDP is. please answer why sony can cram in snapdragon 800 into 4.3 ? AND make it waterproof which your beloved iphone is not.
5inch phones are preferred by a lot of people. iphone sticks to 4 inch because their kool aid master told them to do so. they in fact made a concession from 3.6 inches. lols.
well, that remains to be seen. im talking about products which exist
lol, wait for a few days. leaks will be confirmed for you and your grandiose, “oooh, can you fit, TDP blah blah” statements
nobody came close to iphone in 4′ segment performance wise. i dont see that changing now.
or z1f will have half hour battery life
“or z1f will have half hour battery life”
wow. are you for real ?
Still arguing about chipsets?
umm okay, your highnessness
i see you passed the buck to me LOL
Still arguing about chipsets?
this is not arguing. this is talking to a virtual wall. should’ve known better…
LMAO. there it is in real flesh and blood. same specs as I quoted, so a tiny form factor cannot be achieved by anyone other than apple huh ? lol
sony xperia z1 is a 5 inch phone
z1f. yet to be launched
yes, reference designs. which they use to made a custom chip tailored to their needs. thats why they are building that gpu team from previous amd engineers
vertical integration is very important in mobile devices
that image is removed dude
i was assuming URLs are auto blocked in the forums.
why is the mother of all chipsets for apple behind already in at least a couple of benchmarks? btw the snapdragon 800 was launched early this year.
and snapdragon wasnt released early this year. when was the first PHABLET released with it? 2 month ago?
i think qualcomm was pretty shocked when they saw a7
i think apple was pretty shocked when they saw the snapdragon 800 a few months ago.
i honestly dont think so. they are beating it with half the cores and half the clock rate.
am i talking to a kid or?
the math says it all. APPLE NAILED IT. but who cares, except you android specs junkies. i think they arent even trying to be the fastest. yet, they are
please, do read the anandtech review. and soak it in. anand knows this stuff better than we’ll ever know. he does it for a living. like qualcomm. but unlike qualcomm, he’s best at what he does. ;)
“half the cores and half the clock rate.”
who the hell gives a flying *uck about cores ? it’s simply a different implementation. some do it with raw power, efficient design, multi threading, effecient memory management/ bandwidth etc etc.
“android specs junkies”
why the hell are you trying to correct the *internet*, some random dude, on and android site ? ROFL.
theres no multi threading in android apps. thats why per core performance is the most important.
look, no hard feelings, im just stating the facts. nothing i said is my opinion. pure facts. if you want proof on certain facts, i can give it to you. but its just common sense, this isnt astonomy
yes, spec junkies. quad core cpus with per core performance of iphone 4s. why dont they make a screaming dual core? since most apps use only one core.
“theres no multi threading in android apps”
it’s been around since API 11 (android v3.0)
one app that uses it?
Can my single-threaded application benefit from multiple cores? How?
Even a single-threaded application can benefit from parallel processing on different cores. For example, if your application uses a media server, then the media processing and your UI rendering application logic can run on different cores at the same time. Also, the garbage collector can run on a different core.
by 1fps you gotta be kidding , dual core vs quadcore and other 14 test iphone 5s was faster dude.
“by 1fps you gotta be kidding”
that’s precisely why I mentioned it. this is supposed to be apple’s nextgen ? and it will be behind in a couple of months.
“dual core vs quadcore ”
who gives a flying *uck about cores ?
“14 test iphone 5s was faster dude.”
they got plastered all over by adreno 330, and they are stuck here for a good year until september 2014.
if you are talking about the cpu, yes, apple nailed it. for now.
i will believe that when g2 and note 3 triumph it in gpu you are using overclock chip of qualcom.
“overclock chip of qualcom”
huh ? it’s right there in qualcomm’s roadmap. the snapdragon isnt done as yet!
8974AB will boost the current specs by at least 20-30%, which means it will comfortably cream the iphone5s in the graphics department for sure, because the powerVR can barely hold with adreno 300 now. the next gen chips which will be out by jan 2014, will beat the pants off 5s
but are there any current smartphone capable of using that chip. so a7 wins here than.
well, i do give credit where its due – the A7 wins the cpu war hands down. for now.
as regards the gpu performance i’ve opined earlier. and since you doubted the g2 and note3 performance as “hacks” i retorted saying the 8974AB will be much better. all clear ?
since we’re comparing tiny iphone with phablets, let me throw something else in the mix – a7x
since the device size and tdp doesnt matter, wait 2 more weeks and well see how that snapdragon 800S fares against lets say ipad
what’s a “snapdragon 800S” ?
now, seriously, NO one speaks about TDP in phones like they do for CPUs. in traditional CPUs – they used to get hot like ovens and you needed liquid cooling even, hence the thermal envelope/ TDP factoring in rather loudly. ARM by design is extremely power effecient. the room for variation there is very low.
intel is trying hard to get in there. the snapdragon 2-800 series is in the 2.5 to 3W TDP. so what does form factor have anything to do with TDP ???
cite me a few articles will you ?
800s is the faster one youre talking about. due to come out in a few months.
form factor is a limiting factor. if you have a smaller enclosure, less power hungry components can go inside due to heat. mobile phones tend to overheat. second, battery life. the smaller the enclosure, the smaller battery. thats why small phones have weaker cpus than larger, if youre comparing android phones.
if you throw iphone into the mix, it would be the smallest and most powerful device. with 1440mha battery.
per core, a7 is twice as powerful as snapdragon 800.
lets use our imagination for a sec and say apple is building 5 inch phone with 3000mha battery. so they can add two more cores. of course it isnt this simple, but looking at just per core performance (which is the ONLY important performance, lets be real) a7 quad core would be twice as fast as snapdragon 800.
do you understand what im saying?
i think apples purposely crippling their cpus just to be a little bit over the top competition wise and keeping great battery life at the same time.
so, lets meet here in a few weeks and compare a7x vs that new top of the line snapdragon 2 800. since we’re comparing chips made for XL devices, not 4 inch phones
8974AB is due AFAIK, and that’s listed on the qualcomm roadmap. there’s no 800s that I could dig up.
Z1 has 8974, and it has a 5inch screen because they moved on 4.5 to 5 inches, nothing to do with tdp. and of course bringing in larger screens would mean larger batteries.
apple crippled their cpu because they cannot pack enough battery in that small form factor.
8974AB will be around in a couple of months, I’d like to keep comparing even after that, when apple has exhausted its annual quota of “innovation” until September next year. in the meanwhile the nextgen qualcomm would be out, to squish a7, just like 800 squished iphone 5/ a6
hey, im just calling it that way, 800S. by that i mean 8974AB, which you mentioned. i’d like to compare that one with a7x when it comes out.
its a matter of product cycle. i like it when i buy a phone, that it stays the newest for at least a year. thats called consumers respect.
but the fact stands. 4 inch screen is beating 6 inch one. dual core is beating quad core. apple cores are TWICE as fast. battery life still great. theres nothing more to it. apple began designing their own cpus since a6. and they are apparently very good at it, says anand. maybe you should get used to it, apple being better at designing cpus than qualcomm.
but the MOST important thing we’re not mentioning is that apple designs their own OS specifically for their cpus. so, looking at this facts, theres absolutely no way android can compete in the long run. thats exactly why zou have tizen, rumored htc os, and most importantly ChromeOS. even google is jumping ship. mark my word.
android was an experiment. windows business model aint working any more. vertical integration became a necessity.
“4 inch screen is beating 6 inch one”
bawhahaha, doesnt matter if one is a HD, the others are FHD. it’s the INCHES that matter. new metric, introduced here. ROFL.
“4 inch screen is beating 6 inch one”
hahahaha. I still can’t get over this. ROTFL. sicne when did screen size start beating the other devices in screen size horsepower. lol.
Anything over 300ppi is wasting battery life, your eyes can’t tell the difference. Apple started and won the Retina race. Game over for Android :D
That’s relative to the distance at which you hold the device. Not to mention having a higher pixel density allows you to zoom in on images without losing clarity (image resolution allowing, of course).
Before believing what Apple tells you, do your research. Apple tells you that to make you believe iPhone5 is good enough. Apple is expert in marketing. Next year when they sell iPhone6 they will convince you that 600ppi is perfect for your eyes. The following pixel densities work at their relative distance. Depending on how far you hold your iPhone or iPad you can benefit from these densities:
15″ – 382.0 ppi
12″ – 477.5
10″ – 573.0
8″ – 716.3
6″ – 955.0
4″ – 1,432.5
2″ – 2,865.0
But really can u tell the difference. i know the answer.
HOW in the fuck do you figure they won the race? they started out claiming their phones had retina displays people thought the screens were something amazing beyond 1080p or something the reality is they use the same screen they just upped the ppi then samsung, htc, sony and very one else came out with true 1080p displays boasting 400+ppi now they’re like well you know…..thats just too much ppi the human eye can’t tell the difference
It’s a shame really! Even otherwise, the Note 3 is a helluva device, it doesn’t need such artificial boosts. All this does is add fuel to a fire of negative publicity.
Really, Samsung? Again?
Well that’s SAMSUNG.
Breaking news — Companies use marketing trickery and lies to sell products.
Solution – Don’t buy on benchmarks. Read reviews, try phones out, buy what you want. That’s the way the majority of the marketplace buys anyway, so what’s the big deal?
Im wondering if its overclocking or just lifting any power management restrictions that might be in place by default. Not defending, just wondering.
This might turn out to be something useful for power users. Imagine being able to edit this list of boosted apps on a rooted phone. It would be cool to boost some important apps this way.
Nobody notice that 5S having a very similar app to S-Health
It has an app similar to Ass Health?
well there jus pooshing da devoice 2 it’s full potenshial wuts da big deal lololol Samsung ftw
Who cares about benchmarks. Buy a phone for what uses suit you, not how well it does in a virtual pissing contest.
The issue at hand is whether or not Samsung optimzed (cough cough) to improve scores – not the relevance of said test.
Agreed. It’s a virtual pissing contest but hardly the point.
Samsung caught cheating. AGAIN
oh wow, companies cheat? reallly?
Thanks for being so uncritical. Proof +ve that it isn’t just Apple fans that are sheeple
Well said m8!
Still… those marketing “geniuses” in Samsung must be really stupid for choosing to do something like that… go figure.
haha, keep yapping while sammy sells milliions =)
You want to know who cares!? Samsung cares. That’s why they went thru the trouble of boosting the benchmarks & why this is a story. You and 90% of the population might not care about ‘artifical benchmarks’ But there are those 10% or so in the population who do. This boils down to public trust, company ethics, and repeated bad behavior.
well guess what bro, even without the boost its not 1… id be pissed if they boosted a last spot crap gpu to fake the top spot.
They are ALL doing it. Tons have been caught. And yes, Apple included.
Being number one is everything in tech world.not everybody are like us..minority of ppl read tech news..that’s y sammy did it again..
this is true the average chav who buys their phone in the high street and has to have “how to use a usb charger” explained in detail by the sales person wouldn’t even know what the term benchmark means which unfortunately is at least 90% of the population only geeks actually give a monkeys which is fine i like it like that so i can feel superior to the masses :)
Same here…I love mobile technology..waiting for nexus 5without defedefects..
couldn’t agree more :)
of late, samsung is like another apple.
bullshitting , even though they dont need to.
are you implying apple doesn’t need to bullshit? lol
they have a captive market, and the sheeple really don’t need any further luring to do.
as i see it, apple uses that tactic in EVERYTHING under the marketing-sun
as an iOS User, I agree.
It’s called optimization dude…
Just kidding lol :D
I’m looking forward to their PR release :p
best for them would be to keep quiet!
Exactly, but it’s Samsung we are talking about here :D
I am actually happy for news like this, as I am anxiously waiting for the price of this phone to drop. The more bad publicity it gets, the sooner I will be able to buy it ;-)
Did you know the external speaker was moved from the back to the bottom, and it’s sound is so much weaker compared to other phones? Spread the news!
“The external speaker (dramatic pause) is on the bottom. Whoosh.”
Alrighty then Mr. “count the money”
How about just go to work and make some money. It’s faster that way.
well Im glad to see that EVEN AFTER the boost was removed, it was beating the LG G2 :D
Why? Because Samsung is an unethical company that commonly deploys underhanded tactics against the competition. This isn’t the first time they’ve tried this crap. Seriously disturbing.
True, just like virtually ALL other large corporations around the world, including Apple.
Whilst I broadly agree … I think most people have a reasonable expectation that benchmark tests are different to the soft focus, slo-mo, macro shots and (often) wild claims of an advertising campaign.
I think it’s intellectually disingenuous to suggest it simply doesn’t matter or everyone’s at it so it’s OK.
Companies need to be brought to task for this kind of dishonesty … regardless of who they are or what the product is
I expect my car to perform as stated … regardless of an advertising campaign showing it flying across the Grand Canyon
there is a lot of sh*t going on in this world , i find it disturbing that something like this could disturb someone as it is not disturbing in the slightest. Very disturbing.Unless of course you meant that you felt a disturbance in the force which again i would find disturbing.
Even with fake benchmarks Samesong is getting destroyed by the iphone
Get the fuck out of here you piece of shit apple prick. Go back to getting ass raped by apple.
aaaand you must be the retarded one here. nice to meet you
On which benchmark? In single core Geekbench 3, it’s 901 (Note 3 without optimisation) vs 1393 (iphone 5s) and in multi-core it’s 2487 vs 2485.
The question is, do other companies optimise their devices for benchmarks?
Yes. Pretty much all of them. 1 company is noticeably missing from the list
Thanks! At least Motorola, Nvidia and Google (with the Nexus devices) are not cheating. Do you know of any other test that includes Sony and Apple?
Irregardless, in day to day life it is a power house. I don’t pay any attention to benchmarks anyway. Note 3 beat lg g2 benchmarks anyway….
Argh! There is no such word as “irregardless.”
I’m with Lin: who cares?! The point of the benchmark is to go full tilt. Big deal. They should all be doing this, then we’d know who flexes the biggest muscles. This is seriously getting old and tired. Great comment on the “virtual pissing contest,” though. Love it!
i stopped running benchmarks when the first runs of the nexus 4 were getting bricked. <–due to running benchmarks. benchmarks do nothing but lessen the longevity of the hardware. and running everything full tilt… even worse.
Your SAMSUNG cares.
Lot of spec monkeys care. Don’t you see them posting on Android Authority all over?
And people in this community still want samsung to be the most valuable company in the world.. I say screw samsung, feel free to not “use” Android any longer.
By that argument Sony are just as guilty as their Xperia Z1 achieves significantly higher benchmark scores as well. In fact show me that they have checked every other significant player out there for these sort of shenanigans otherwise it is nothing but a witch-hunt on Samsung.
Either way, who cares? both AMD and Nvidia are well known for optimizing their drivers to achieve higher scores in benchmarks and Apple (and I am sure others) almost certainly uses optimisation to boost their browser based scores seeing as real world side-by side tests show no performance improvement with iOS devices when loading web pages. It still doesn’t change the fact that Safari’s tight integration into iOS shows it to be a more powerful performer overall because of it.
Sony isn’t proven guilty of anything unlike Samsung which was proven guilty of many things.
I have to say something about the G2′s Ram though. That Graphic Ram must be something special for 2GB to be beating the 3GB in the Note3. I’m starting to like the G2 more and more. Especially with the Muli-app window thing they’ve got now. That was one of the main things selling the Note 3 to me. And one of main things that’s killing the One Max for me. I’ve been holding off for months now. Keep it up Mr. G2…. you might have a sale in your near future!
Just putting this out there, but anyone who buys a phone based on benchmarks alone deserves to be fooled.
nope, this the reason samsung phone have amazing idle times
huh? no they don’t and that’s not even related to this article (cheating customers)
Do people still compare devices using benchmarks? I thought we stopped doing that in the late ’90s. Ars technica always had a thing about benchmarks…
Nevertheless, if you expect ethics from private companies on the 21st century, you probably live in a dream world…
Yes, otherwise why would Samsung bother boosting its chip performance?
If you don’t compare benchmarks, then that’s fine with me. I, on the other hand, will continue doing my research on what are the “best” gadgets are for me.
I could care less about artificial benchmark numbers. I don’t even bother running them or pay attention to that part of reviews. The specs are good enough to handle what I want to do. Makes me sad that Sammy feels like they need to do this, especially when android has some really smart devs that will find out and expose their idiocy.
Ehhhh why am I not surprised? Keep your benchmark scores, Samsung. Happy with my iPhone 5.
what they need to do is write a more sophisticated and general boosting app, one that identifies software being loaded and checks for an online profile when it is installed. this would allow the cpu use to be scheduled appropriately not only for benchmarks, but for apps that have typical usage patterns
not a benchmark issue, it is a trust issue!
Because many ppl still believe in benchmark..
I have friends who say my phone benchmark of its high so my phone is better than yours >.<
Samsung knows how to fool ppl.
I say it’s time to opt for Sony!
NOBODY CARES ALREADY!!! THE NSA IS VIOLATING THE LAW AND THE GO VERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN. STOP CRYING ABOUT THIS UNIMPORTANT CRAP!!!!!
It is not like they are adding a booster to the device to manipulate the performance. The components are there and are just being utilized to their Max capabilities. More power to Samsung for doing this. Btw, who the heck is Chris Smith??
Yep, just the latest on the long list of reasons why I’m done with Samsung.
Computer Processor makers are doing this for years. Still its outputting what the CPU can actually hold.
so hypothetically speaking. since its the same snapdragon800, the lg can be boosted to similar speeds if its rooted?
MAN SHUT UP IM GLAD THEY DID I CANT STAND A SLOW PHONE … BUT FOR ALL THE PEOPLE B ASHING SAMMY YOU ALL WILL BE THE ONE WHO WOULD HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE PHONE FREEZING UP OR PERFORMING SLOWLY. EITHER WAY YOU ALL WILL FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO BITCH AND COME ON HERE AND VENT (SHOW OFF YOUR TECH VOCAB) NOTE 3 STILL BLOWS APPLE OUT OF THE WATER. I MEAN IT HAS 3 GB OF RAM THANK YOU JESUS
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why shouls samsung explain..!! are they supposed to explain every code they write beforehand..what matters is end experience and in this case it helps in many other apps as well….Common..
People who think ALL the companies aren’t optimizing their phones for these benchmarks, to various degrees, are completely naive. Getting up in arms about this is quite foolish.
Samsung exploiting spec monkeys.
so refreshing to see people “defend” this rather than crapping all over Samsung…
The only thing Samsung needs to apologize for is the bloatedness of Touchwiz. It’s ridiculous.
I own a Note 2 and the device is so laggy and slow now that it’s sometimes unusable. While I like some of the features of the Note line (and for a time I really loved my phone) pure Android is calling me in the form of the Nexus 5.
What did they get caught cheating on? Worthless benchmark scores? Anyone that knows about benchmarks, knows that they mean nothing compared to real world use. The only people worried about them are idiots that think they mean something.
your answer is up above. they got caught artificially inflating benchmark scores. speaking of idiots….
Exactly my point. They got cheating on benchmarks. If you knew anything about Android devices, you would know how useless benchmark scores are. So yes, speaking of idiots, you are probably one of the idiots that buys devices based on benchmarks.
so are the gpu boosted in games as well? if so this is no news at all…
when it draw
Samsung isn’t alone in cheating… read thishttp://gizmodo.com/the-state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks-everybody-1440237011
So when will we see the new Samsung App called S-Boost where it makes all apps “benchmark” apps and perform better? Battery life might take a hit but imagine how fast the calculator would run.
Oh…someone doctored benchmarks, big surprise.
I mean seriously, benchmarks are useful and all, but people put too much weight on it.
Ethical wise, yes it’s quite wrong, but a) there is nothing illegal about it, b) it’s just too easy.
Also, since these embedded devices do not have reliable enough stress tests-tests that might damage your phone- it’s just too easy to overclock things a bit when benchmarks are running. Reviewers who ranked phones on minuscule benchmark scores- and again these are embedded devices using pretty much the same SoC and chipset!- should be aware of these kind of tricks.
I have both note3 and iphone5s i have to say android is trying hard but it still cant beat ios. The big display is nice though… i what the android side will do once apple launches a bigger screen version of iphone next year